2022 vs 2020 Gladiator service information

[badtux]

Well, AllDataDiy/MitchellDIY/etc. now have released the service manuals for the 2020 Gladiators. It will be a while before the 2022 manual is released for my new 2022 bright red Sport Max Tow Gladiator, Flamma the Gladiator. On the other hand, all I want it for is torque specs for various bolts. Seems to me that I can just purchase access to the 2020 manual for now, then transfer it to the 2022 once the 2022 manual is released (you can do that by calling them) and get most of what I want. I can't think that torque specifications have changed from 2020 to 2022?

In other news I have been somewhat dismayed for some time now that over the past decade or so Chiseler Corporation has made it so hard for DIY people to get service information for their vehicles. This is information Chiseler already paid to compile for their dealerships and that their dealerships have already paid for. And no, expensive access to TechAuthority is *not* the same thing as having factory service data for *your* car, the one and only car you own. TechAuthority is priced for dealership service departments and independent repair shops, not for individuals who want access to information about a single car.

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[Hootbro]

Only major difference between the 2020 and 2022, is that in mid 2021, they went to a new style PCM (3.6L) and TPMS so the wiring and maybe some fault tree troubleshooting data maybe different in that regard.

Everything else bolt and nut wise should be the same.

As to service info going to online and subscription based, well that is not unique to Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis. Every major brand has done the same. Given the complexity modern vehicle systems have become, paper manuals are not cost effective. Lastly, they want whomever is accessing this tech data, to have the latest revisions in their hand and not having a uncontrolled and out dated copies being used if the information has changed.

 

[ecidiego]

Only major difference between the 2020 and 2022, is that in mid 2021, they went to a new style PCM (3.6L) and TPMS so the wiring and maybe some fault tree troubleshooting data maybe different in that regard.

Everything else bolt and nut wise should be the same.

FYI on that 2021 PCM...there is no rhyme or reason when it started or which months have it. My 9/21 build has the original style.

 

[IanNubbit]

Just hit me up lol. But the only immediate thing, I’m sure there is more, is the alluminum to steel gear box. Bolts change torque

 

[Tommyd]

FYI on that 2021 PCM...there is no rhyme or reason when it started or which months have it. My 9/21 build has the original style.

I have a 2020 and I just had to take it in for a pcm recall/update. Took 25 minutes.

 

[badtux]

Only major difference between the 2020 and 2022, is that in mid 2021, they went to a new style PCM (3.6L) and TPMS so the wiring and maybe some fault tree troubleshooting data maybe different in that regard.

Everything else bolt and nut wise should be the same.

Thanks, that's good to know. I doubt that I will have any reason to do anything wiring-wise since

As to service info going to online and subscription based, well that is not unique to Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis.

That's not the issue. The issue is that Chiseler/Screwantis doesn't have any product for individuals who wish to have service information about only their car, and don't allow Mitchell/Alldata to produce a DIY version of their product for vehicles less than two model years old. If I owned a Subaru, for example, I could purchase AlldataDIY for a 2022 Impreza 5 door right now. For my Jeep... nope.

BTW, Mitchell is cheaper than Alldata but man, is it disorganized. Alldata is organized exactly like Technet. Mitchell... not so much.

 

[Hootbro]

Honestly, if you bought a one or even three day subscription to Tech Authority, you can down load in a few hours and print to PDF just about everything you would need at a DIY level to cover your vehicle.

That is what I did and I have the full wiring schematic, brakes, suspension, engine, transmission and Axles info I would need. About the only thing you would miss out is having any hyperlinking to connector info and to other pages if not downloaded.

 

[KX L]

In other news I have been somewhat dismayed for some time now that over the past decade or so Chiseler Corporation has made it so hard for DIY people to get service information for their vehicles. This is information Chiseler already paid to compile for their dealerships and that their dealerships have already paid for. And no, expensive access to TechAuthority is *not* the same thing as having factory service data for *your* car, the one and only car you own. TechAuthority is priced for dealership service departments and independent repair shops, not for individuals who want access to information about a single car.

Exactly! Drives me crazy that I can't buy a service manual and electrical manual for the vehicle. I have them for every Harley I've ever had....not cheap but absolutely worth it.

 

[KX L]

Only major difference between the 2020 and 2022, is that in mid 2021, they went to a new style PCM (3.6L) and TPMS so the wiring and maybe some fault tree troubleshooting data maybe different in that regard.

Everything else bolt and nut wise should be the same.

As to service info going to online and subscription based, well that is not unique to Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis. Every major brand has done the same. Given the complexity modern vehicle systems have become, paper manuals are not cost effective. Lastly, they want whomever is accessing this tech data, to have the latest revisions in their hand and not having a uncontrolled and out dated copies being used if the information has changed.

Ridiculous. As everyone has already seen with every damn make of vehicle--and as you explain above--99% of the body stuff [without a major model change] is always the same as is at least 90% of the electrical.

I've always been able to buy paper manuals for my Harleys---but must admit my latest is a 2017 model---but as a Milwaukee 8 touring model I can still use it for 2022 touring models for almost everything. But even as a trained Harley Mechanic I can't bleed and test the ABS brake system---Only dealerships have access to Digital Tech 2. Even if you buy the gear you can't get into the system to use it without being a current HD employee.

More importantly with Jeep, the backyard mechanic doesn't have access to be able to change engine computer software without buying an additional VIN identified ECM or changing the one that came with the vehicle with additional equipment---all of which greatly increases the odds of being denied the warranty for any engine issue.

Everyone always comes up with the manufacturer wanting to avoid a potential lawsuit----at the same time they state the manufacturer has such deep pockets that trying to sue them for your own mistake is a nonstarter.

Wouldn't it be great if a manufacturer actually supported the backyard mechanic by offering a torque table for it's products---especially for Jeeps which undergo all sorts of Jeep encouraged modifications??

 

[Hootbro]

Ridiculous. As everyone has already seen with every damn make of vehicle--and as you explain above--99% of the body stuff [without a major model change] is always the same as is at least 90% of the electrical.

I've always been able to buy paper manuals for my Harleys---but must admit my latest is a 2017 model---but as a Milwaukee 8 touring model I can still use it for 2022 touring models for almost everything. But even as a trained Harley Mechanic I can't bleed and test the ABS brake system---Only dealerships have access to Digital Tech 2. Even if you buy the gear you can't get into the system to use it without being a current HD employee.

More importantly with Jeep, the backyard mechanic doesn't have access to be able to change engine computer software without buying an additional VIN identified ECM or changing the one that came with the vehicle with additional equipment---all of which greatly increases the odds of being denied the warranty for any engine issue.

Everyone always comes up with the manufacturer wanting to avoid a potential lawsuit----at the same time they state the manufacturer has such deep pockets that trying to sue them for your own mistake is a nonstarter.

Wouldn't it be great if a manufacturer actually supported the backyard mechanic by offering a torque table for it's products---especially for Jeeps which undergo all sorts of Jeep encouraged modifications??

The car makers primarily support the dealership service model, not the end user. That being said, we still have access to the info, just not a right to a hard paper copy of it.

The last OEM service manual paper copy set I had was to a 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier, it was like three large volumes across multiple thousands of pages and that included everything minus the body shop repair manual.

Quite honestly though, given the internet, finding exact details of just about any job at hand needing to be done on can be found. Unless it is a just released new generation vehicle.

 

[KX L]

The car makers primarily support the dealership service model, not the end user. That being said, we still have access to the info, just not a right to a hard paper copy of it.

The last OEM service manual paper copy set I had was to a 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier, it was like three large volumes across multiple thousands of pages and that included everything minus the body shop repair manual.

Quite honestly though, given the internet, finding exact details of just about any job at hand needing to be done on can be found. Unless it is a just released new generation vehicle.

Harley is the same way---the engineering on it seems to be specifically designed to force someone to come into the service department.

I use utube and google all the time to get info---but it can turn out to be quite time consuming.

Have no doubt I'll end up buying the electronic manuals for the Gladiator.

 

[badtux]

Have no doubt I'll end up buying the electronic manuals for the Gladiator.

Yes. The MItchell One product is cheap but has the information, if you can chug your way through its obtuse organization. AlldataDIY is expensive but is organized exactly like Technet so is easier to navigate if you know those products. Unfortunately both Mitchell One and AlldataDIY are always two model years behind for Screwantis products, so I won't have access to my specific model year until 2022.

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