2023 Chevy Colorado just dropped... What does that mean for the Gladiator.

[NachoRuby]

Then given the low ranking for RAM, it must be electrical, body?

I think someone else hit the nail on the head. The infotainment system.

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[Geoarch]

I think someone else hit the nail on the head. The infotainment system.

Yeah, I'm happy with my Rubicon one. No issues so far.

 

[FormerToyotaGuy]

Ok, I am going to call BS on JB Powers Assc. ratings. Funny, how brands like Lexus, Honda and Subaru get lesser ratings. As far as GMC / Chevrolet, love the newer body style, they finally updated a very antiquated interior. In terms of reliability, that is yet to be seen. Prior to 2005 yes the made a bullet proof truck. The newer ones with cylinders shutting down on freeway for better mileage has had head gasket problems.
Jeeps been unreliable for decades, LOL ok my YJ had over 295,000 when I sold it to a friend. Other than oil. spark plugs and two front wheel bearings I never replaced anything and it ran like a swiss watch. Sold it to a friend who drove it till about 315K and he sold it ...and all still working.
Its a machine and with that there is always failures, the problem I see is with all the computer systems, GPS, cruise control that tracks, heck new Chevrolet per commercial, you can play paddy cake while driving that just invites more problems (not that I don't love all that stuff in my Gladiator) but think of a home computer and how at times it fails.
I'm stoked that Chevrolet and GMC made a mid-size that looks good in and out , same with new Nissan. About time people start giving Tacoma a little run for the money. I'm not hating on Tacoma had several over the years had an FJ that I loved. But competition is a good thing.

 

[NC_Overland]

Ok, I am going to call BS on JB Powers Assc. ratings. Funny, how brands like Lexus, Honda and Subaru get lesser ratings. As far as GMC / Chevrolet, love the newer body style, they finally updated a very antiquated interior. In terms of reliability, that is yet to be seen. Prior to 2005 yes the made a bullet proof truck. The newer ones with cylinders shutting down on freeway for better mileage has had head gasket problems.
Jeeps been unreliable for decades, LOL ok my YJ had over 295,000 when I sold it to a friend. Other than oil. spark plugs and two front wheel bearings I never replaced anything and it ran like a swiss watch. Sold it to a friend who drove it till about 315K and he sold it ...and all still working.
Its a machine and with that there is always failures, the problem I see is with all the computer systems, GPS, cruise control that tracks, heck new Chevrolet per commercial, you can play paddy cake while driving that just invites more problems (not that I don't love all that stuff in my Gladiator) but think of a home computer and how at times it fails.
I'm stoked that Chevrolet and GMC made a mid-size that looks good in and out , same with new Nissan. About time people start giving Tacoma a little run for the money. I'm not hating on Tacoma had several over the years had an FJ that I loved. But competition is a good thing.

You’re probably right. Your extremely small sample size based on is likely more accurate than professional surveys from professional company’s who have surveyed millions of owners over the decades. My bad.

I’ve had four Nissan trucks and they’ve all be great. I really wanted to like the new one, but I just can’t get past the looks. It’s hideous.

As far as the Tacoma goes. I have no idea how they sell so many trucks. I was planning on buying a Tacoma when I bought my ‘17 Canyon. I test drove it as more of a formality. I’m glad I did. That drivetrain is horrible. I tried the manual and the auto. I test drove a Canyon on a whim after that disappointing experience. I instantly fell in love. It was fast and handled great and it looked great with the All Terrain pkg. I’m not even getting into how awful Toyotas intune system was because they’ve since updated it.

what head gasket problems are you talking about? The 2017+ 3.6l is pretty damn solid. It’s either LGX or LGZ. I get them mixed up. GM has an oddly large different number or 3.6ls that are very different internally. The 2017+ truck one is the Camaro engine, just tuned differently and with a different intake and exhaust. That’s the solid one.

 

[Hootbro]

Just as I suspected. All Chrysler brands below average like normal. Some rounding out the bottom.

edit: except dodge. What does dodge even make anymore? The Charger and challenger? I’d hope they have those figured out by now. That an ancient design. They still sell last gen caravans to rental car companies?

Problem with JD Powers and their rankings of defects per 100 vehicles is that they weigh everything equally regardless. Cut infotainment and other luxury accessory tech out of the equation and that list would shuffle way different.

 

[NC_Overland]

Problem with JD Powers and their rankings of defects per 100 vehicles is that they weigh everything equally regardless. Cut infotainment and other luxury accessory tech out of the equation and that list would shuffle way different.

Firstly, that’s literally the result of a 20 second google search. Search multiple sources over various years and the common denominator you’ll find is Jeep pretty consistently being ranked below average. As a whole, I do agree that a lot of the reliability complaints in all brands in recent years have been infotainment related.

That being said, my infotainment is one thing I haven’t had an issue with. It’s been mainly all drivetrain. I had to have my rearend replaced, I have a really rough idle on cold starts, and my service 4wd light consistently comes on. Oh yeah, it also slams into drive and reverse really hard. The last three two different Jeep dealerships have said is normal. There’s nothing wrong with it. As a matter of fact, the last dealership was extremely rude and tried to charge me a diagnostic fee. That’s the closest I’ve ever come to losing my shit with a dealership. I didn’t though. I just said I’d highly suggest that was removed from my bill before I picked it up. It was. I do think that a big part of Jeep’s problem is their mainly horrible dealership network. I’m not even that picky. I’ve just never had warranty problems that weren’t fixed without a fight from any other brand. Getting my rearend replaced even took three visits and it was really obvious. It jerked really bad at low speeds and made loud clicking sounds when turning.

 

[Hootbro]

Firstly, that’s literally the result of a 20 second google search.

LOL, I did not Google it before I posted that but if that is still the data, then so be it.

I am not being confrontational about what you posted, just the ranking fluctuate across the board so much that I do not put much weight into it.

I still stand by what I said, that if the information tech was taking out, all vehicles across the board would be way less defect rate per 100 vehicles than 20 + years ago when actual mechanical problems weighed more heavily than they do now.

That current list has more to it when you dig below the surface. KIA and Hyundai/Genesis did not become a quality darling just because they are building a better vehicle than the other makes, they rank better because their in vehicle tech is generally way less complicated.

Trust me in that I am more on your side in agreement that Jeep has the quality or lack of it deserved reputation, just there is other makers on that list that are artificially inflated in ranking in my opinion

 

[NC_Overland]

LOL, I did not Google it before I posted that but if that is still the data, then so be it.

I am not being confrontational about what you posted, just the ranking fluctuate across the board so much that I do not put much weight into it.

I still stand by what I said, that if the information tech was taking out, all vehicles across the board would be way less defect rate per 100 vehicles than 20 + years ago when actual mechanical problems weighed more heavily than they do now.

That current list is more to it when you dig below the surface. KIA and Hyundai/Genesis did not become a quality darling just because they are building a better vehicle than the other makes, they rank because their in vehicle tech is generally way less complicated.

Trust me in that I am more on your side in agreement that Jeep has the quality or lack of it deserved reputation, just there is other makers on that list that are artificially inflated in ranking in my opinion

You’re good man, but I appreciate it.

 

[Phishs]

Does the top and doors come off?

 

[NC_Overland]

Does the top and doors come off?

The top and doors come off on anything. It just depends on how badly you want it.

 

[NachoRuby]

The top and doors come off on anything. It just depends on how badly you want it.

But can you get them back on again? (especially the top)

 

[Tommyd]

Changes nothing......... Gladiators and Wranglers have their own niche, that does not cross paths with any other vehicles in my opinion. As for a "change"....... remember that Gladiators and Wranglers are essentially twins, joined at the hip. When a change comes, it will be to both of them.

Second. It contends more with the Tacoma to me.

 

[NC_Overland]

But can you get them back on again? (especially the top)

Once again, depends on how badly you want it. ?

 

[FormerToyotaGuy]

You’re probably right. Your extremely small sample size based on is likely more accurate than professional surveys from professional company’s who have surveyed millions of owners over the decades. My bad.

I’ve had four Nissan trucks and they’ve all be great. I really wanted to like the new one, but I just can’t get past the looks. It’s hideous.

As far as the Tacoma goes. I have no idea how they sell so many trucks. I was planning on buying a Tacoma when I bought my ‘17 Canyon. I test drove it as more of a formality. I’m glad I did. That drivetrain is horrible. I tried the manual and the auto. I test drove a Canyon on a whim after that disappointing experience. I instantly fell in love. It was fast and handled great and it looked great with the All Terrain pkg. I’m not even getting into how awful Toyotas intune system was because they’ve since updated it.

what head gasket problems are you talking about? The 2017+ 3.6l is pretty damn solid. It’s either LGX or LGZ. I get them mixed up. GM has an oddly large different number or 3.6ls that are very different internally. The 2017+ truck one is the Camaro engine, just tuned differently and with a different intake and exhaust. That’s the solid one.

No, never said I was "right" and yes, it was based on my small sample size of experience. For further clarification (my bad) I was referring to the full size trucks since that has been my experience. Unless, we are talking decades then with S10 series. Moms S10 blazer was reliable but my mountain bike had more horsepower. Later, we had a company truck that was an S10 with 4.3L and that was a great engine.
As far as professional surveys, "you can prove anything with statistics, but the truth". Again, what is the baseline of the survey company, I got asked by JD Power 's a survey after having my Tacoma 2 months. I'm pretty sure that 99.99% of the people polled after two months with a brand new vehicle will give positive results, does that mean that Toyota is tops? No.
I'll agree on the latest generation Tacoma's mine was a 16 and it was always searching for gears, felt like the totally wrong engine for an off road truck based on torque curve. I had a sun roof and coming from the FJ which was like shoe box and had tons of headroom the Tacoma felt cramped.
Oh and 100% spot on the Toyota In tune, horrible system very old feeling tech. The JBL system (top model) was weak compared to the Jeep Alpine.
The head gasket problems was the full size v8 trucks.

I say if your unhappy with the Jeep ... get it fixed if stealership allows , and dump it. They hold value pretty well and get the new Canyon or Colorado. I think the new model looks cool. Something I have said for awhile, (make the smaller trucks look like their big brother options) Hello FORD !! "We have the #1 selling half ton 40 years running so lets make the Ranger look like, yeah a Ridgeline".
GM's new trucks have lockers in so more than capable. So far I have had outstanding luck, (watch rear end goes out LOL) no issues ..If I won the lottery I'd buy the same truck.....but if I was having issues I'd send it down the road.

 

[NC_Overland]

No, never said I was "right" and yes, it was based on my small sample size of experience. For further clarification (my bad) I was referring to the full size trucks since that has been my experience. Unless, we are talking decades then with S10 series. Moms S10 blazer was reliable but my mountain bike had more horsepower. Later, we had a company truck that was an S10 with 4.3L and that was a great engine.
As far as professional surveys, "you can prove anything with statistics, but the truth". Again, what is the baseline of the survey company, I got asked by JD Power 's a survey after having my Tacoma 2 months. I'm pretty sure that 99.99% of the people polled after two months with a brand new vehicle will give positive results, does that mean that Toyota is tops? No.
I'll agree on the latest generation Tacoma's mine was a 16 and it was always searching for gears, felt like the totally wrong engine for an off road truck based on torque curve. I had a sun roof and coming from the FJ which was like shoe box and had tons of headroom the Tacoma felt cramped.
Oh and 100% spot on the Toyota In tune, horrible system very old feeling tech. The JBL system (top model) was weak compared to the Jeep Alpine.
The head gasket problems was the full size v8 trucks.

I say if your unhappy with the Jeep ... get it fixed if stealership allows , and dump it. They hold value pretty well and get the new Canyon or Colorado. I think the new model looks cool. Something I have said for awhile, (make the smaller trucks look like their big brother options) Hello FORD !! "We have the #1 selling half ton 40 years running so lets make the Ranger look like, yeah a Ridgeline".
GM's new trucks have lockers in so more than capable. So far I have had outstanding luck, (watch rear end goes out LOL) no issues ..If I won the lottery I'd buy the same truck.....but if I was having issues I'd send it down the road.

The two month one is IQS. That’s a separate survey.

I like my Jeep and want to keep it. I’m just fed up with Jeep dealerships not wanting to fix it.

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