3.0 ecodiesel

[Jefe1018]

I agree 100%!

My last vehicle was a C6 Corvette Grand Sport and I have zero complaints about the power of the 3.6 in my Gladiator. It's an off-road focused mid-size pickup, not a sports car. It's plenty fast enough - and not even just "for what it is"... it's plenty fast enough period! I certaly have no problem whatsoever passing slower vehicles on 2-lane highways or getting up to speed on interstate on-ramps, etc. and it will happily cruise at 80 MPH all day long (though I usually try to keep the speeds down to get better fuel mileage -given that it has the aerodynamics of a barn (LOL).

Many of the EcoDiesel fans on here love to brag about the fuel mileage they get in every threar that discusses MPG, but they never seem to mention how much more the diesel engine cost them upfront, how much more expensive diesel fuel is than reg. unleaded gasoline, how much more expensive diesel maintenance is (and the fact that it's required more often), having to deal with cleaning/replacing DEF filters, particulate filters, 9-quart oil changes, larger more expensive battery, etc. etc. etc. I *LIKE* diesels and if you have to do heavy towing/hauling on a regular basis, there is nothing better (and in which case, I'd say you should be in a full-size truck not a Gladiator), but anyone thinking/claiming that the EcoDiesel will save them money over the 3.6 gasser is straight up kidding themselves. Add to that the fact that the Italian-made EcoDiesel has proven to be problematic/unreliable and it becomes clear why they have stopped offering it as an option.

Just my $0.02

I wouldn’t say you’re saving money because of the higher mpg, but you are extending your range substantially. I’ll use a half a tank on some of my trips from my door step and back, buddies in JKs and JLs on 35 and 37’s are on E. There is peace of mind in that, at least for me. I also haven’t had to regear for 37’s and still have 0 trouble in day to day driving, I’m in 8th gear at 70mph at ~1,600 RPM, 23-25mpgs all day… in a shoebox on 37’s. I’m not saving money, but I am saving time on fuel stops.

My 9 quart DIY oil change costs less than $100, every 5,000-10,000 miles, twice a year. DEF is $9 for a 2.5 gallon jug and I got through maybe 3 a year? I do my fuel filter with every oil change, that’s like $60 I think. I’ve yet to have to “clean or replace” a dpf. I also do an airfimter or two and a cabin air filter. All in, I’m out like $400 in maintenance a year?

The 3.6 is sufficient, can be great even, but life is short. Drive what you want when you want and don’t bash something if you’ve not tried it. This forum can be an echo tank, remember that. I’m not married to this truck or motor, might end up being a turd, but for now it’s been awesome.

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[Raven65]

What the non-eco diesel people fail to realize is that you can get an eco-diesel far less than the standard Pentastar version. I bought my 2023 in October at 18.25% BELOW sticker (I couldn't get the standard V6 at that price), and you can still find eco-diesels 25% or more below sticker price. That makes it well worth it in my opinion.

Hmmm... why do you suppose that is? I realize you bought back in October, but things have changed now. That "advantage" is null and void now that pretty much all Jeep dealers are overflowing with Gladiators and you can get big rebates on Pentastars too (like $7k-$10k below sticker depending on trim level). If you keep an EcoDiesel any length of time, it will cost you more overall than a gasser. "Cost" is just part of the equation though... if you enjoy it more, the extra cost is worth it (assuming no major problems like the one in the video above). I hope you have great luck with yours!

 

[Gmac03]

I love my Ecodiesel, it makes the Jeep enjoyable, between the various noises, turbo “lag” and plenty of torque. I wouldn’t have bought the vehicle if it wasn’t an option.

With that being said my number one concern is the longevity of this engine and the price it’ll incur once out of its warranty.

I’ll likely not keep it because of that but am holding on as long as I can for a better engine option in the future. #Hurrican ?

 

[Raven65]

I wouldn’t say you’re saving money because of the higher mpg, but you are extending your range substantially. I’ll use a half a tank on some of my trips from my door step and back, buddies in JKs and JLs on 35 and 37’s are on E. There is peace of mind in that, at least for me. I also haven’t had to regear for 37’s and still have 0 trouble in day to day driving, I’m in 8th gear at 70mph at ~1,600 RPM, 23-25mpgs all day… in a shoebox on 37’s. I’m not saving money, but I am saving time on fuel stops.

My 9 quart DIY oil change costs less than $100, every 5,000-10,000 miles, twice a year. DEF is $9 for a 2.5 gallon jug and I got through maybe 3 a year? I do my fuel filter with every oil change, that’s like $60 I think. I’ve yet to have to “clean or replace” a dpf. I also do an airfimter or two and a cabin air filter. All in, I’m out like $400 in maintenance a year?

The 3.6 is sufficient, can be great even, but life is short. Drive what you want when you want and don’t bash something if you’ve not tried it. This forum can be an echo tank, remember that. I’m not married to this truck or motor, might end up being a turd, but for now it’s been awesome.

Not bashing... just trying to be realistic. My cost comments are mainly in response to all the EcoDiesel fanatics who feel the need to chime in on every thread that mentions MPG to brag about theirs - without mentioning how much more expensive diesel fuel is - or any of the other expenses that a diesel has over a gasser. An EcoDiesel will cost you more to run/keep than a Pentastar... that's just a fact. Whether that extra cost is worth it to you given the advantages a diesel has is a personal choice. If they had a better reliability record (and were even available anymore), I might have opted for one myself, but having done the research.... nope.

 

[Raven65]

I love my Ecodiesel, it makes the Jeep enjoyable, between the various noises, turbo “lag” and plenty of torque. I wouldn’t have bought the vehicle if it wasn’t an option.

With that being said my number one concern is the longevity of this engine and the price it’ll incur once out of its warranty.

I’ll likely not keep it because of that but am holding on as long as I can for a better engine option in the future. #Hurrican ?

It's not like the 3.6 Pentastar is held up as a shining example of reliability... they have their issues too... so I'm sort of in the same mindset. I'll probably keep mine until the powertrain warranty is just about up (several more years at my current rate of driving) and I'll decide then if I want to roll the dice on keeping it or not. I'm with you on the Hurricane too! I hope they do put it in the JT/JL, but I doubt they will... as it I believe would require reengineering the whole front end to make room for it. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[MaximusTX]

Buy whichever engine you want. I've found that 90% of the negativity surrounding the 3.0 on this forum seems to come from people that don't even have it. Everyone that does have it loves it. I have seen very few post from users that have the 3.0 say they hate it. I'll be trading my 3.6 in on a 3.0 here shortly as soon as my sales guy can locate the right one for me.

 

[Tom C]

Hmmm... why do you suppose that is? I realize you bought back in October, but things have changed now. That "advantage" is null and void now that pretty much all Jeep dealers are overflowing with Gladiators and you can get big rebates on Pentastars too (like $7k-$10k below sticker depending on trim level). If you keep an EcoDiesel any length of time, it will cost you more overall than a gasser. "Cost" is just part of the equation though... if you enjoy it more, the extra cost is worth it (assuming no major problems like the one in the video above). I hope you have great luck with yours!

The advantage hasn't changed. The dealerships in my area throw in at least $4,500 on top of the Jeep national 15% discount on diesels, which pretty much makes them the same prices as non-diesel 2023s, and a lot less than the 2024s which have maybe a $1,000 dealership discount.

 

[Jefe1018]

Not bashing... just trying to be realistic. My cost comments are mainly in response to all the EcoDiesel fanatics who feel the need to chime in on every thread that mentions MPG to brag about theirs - without mentioning how much more expensive diesel fuel is - or any of the other expenses that a diesel has over a gasser. An EcoDiesel will cost you more to run/keep than a Pentastar... that's just a fact. Whether that extra cost is worth it to you given the advantages a diesel has is a personal choice. If they had a better reliability record (and were even available anymore), I might have opted for one myself, but having done the research.... nope.

“Fantatics”

“after doing my research”

“Reliability record”

“Not bashing”

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[Raven65]

The advantage hasn't changed. The dealerships in my area throw in at least $4,500 on top of the Jeep national 15% discount on diesels, which pretty much makes them the same prices as non-diesel 2023s, and a lot less than the 2024s which have maybe a $1,000 dealership discount.

Again... why do you think that is? If diesels are so awesome/desirable, why are they having to throw so much money on the hood to move them - and most of all, why have they been completely discontinued for '24?

 

[Raven65]

“Fantatics”

“after doing my research”

“Reliability record”

“Not bashing”

?

Lots of EcoDiesel folks are fanatics about them (you, for example, fit the profile).

I did do a lot of research before I bought - and certainly not just on this forum.

EcoDiesels do not have the best reliability record. That's just a fact. A few people on this forum saying they haven't had any trouble (yet) doesn't change that fact.

I am absolutely not bashing. Just arguing the facts of the matter.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings

 

[Tom C]

Again... why do you think that is? If diesels are so awesome/desirable, why are they having to throw so much money on the hood to move them - and most of all, why have they been completely discontinued for '24?

The dealerships got stuck with inventory for a long time because of the Bosch fuel pump issue and had to pay inventory taxes while they couldn't move them. The Ram 1500s use the same eco-diesel and transmission, same problem. There is nothing wrong with this diesel.

I think in reality that you like arguing for the sake of arguing. You can say you win, I'm fine with that. I have no need to change your mind. Your research was good for you, mine was good for me. BUT, I will chime in when someone asks about the eco-diesel. I will just no longer respond to you.

 

[Jefe1018]

Lots of EcoDiesel folks are fanatics about them (you, for example, fit the profile).

I did do a lot of research before I bought - and certainly not just on this forum.

EcoDiesels do not have the best reliability record. That's just a fact. A few people on this forum saying they haven't had any trouble (yet) doesn't change that fact.

I am absolutely not bashing. Just arguing the facts of the matter.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings

They say the second you launch a personal attack you lost the argument, anyways….

You’ve presented opinions, not facts. Researched articles, not lived it. Enjoy your Jeep.

 

[Raven65]

They say the second you launch a personal attack you lost the argument, anyways….

You’ve presented opinions, not facts. Researched articles, not lived it. Enjoy your Jeep.

You think that was a personal attack?!? ROFL! Ohhhhkkkaaaayy

Sorry, I presented facts:

• Anyone who can do basic math can figure out that owning the diesel will cost you more than owning the gasser.
• The reliability of that Italian VM Motori EcoDiesel engine is a matter of record that is available to anyone willing to do the research (beyond the anecdotal evidence in this forum). It's not necessary to have owned one to be aware of that record.

Look, like I said, I like diesels. They're great for towing/hauling. Just don't try to tell me they're less expensive to own/run than a comparable gasser, because they objectively are not. If the EcoDiesel had a better reliability record than it does, I may have considered one - but they don't, so I didn't. Now Jeep has decided to stop offering them, so once all the leftover 2023's are gone, this whole argument will be moot (unless you buy a used one).

Sincerely... I wish you good luck with yours.

 

[Jtfire35]

HI BigKuntry. I would say you should buy the 3.0 just a little back ground here I own a Diesel TDI, A F-350, JLUD, and Now a JTRD. IF we go on the argument of you want a diesel for better gas mileage well heck lets just throw anything jeep out the window. Its like me expecting to get amazing gas mileage on my 1 ton truck but Im sure happy with 22 mpg on it. I have owned two JK's with the 3.6 and I was done with Jeeps till the 3.0 came out and ill never look back sure more to upkeep but nothing to crazy. Parts will be around for a long time several other vehicles use the same parts and are interchangeable for example the fuel filter is used on several Cummins vehicles. a Few things about why the diesel gets a bad rap. 1. Diesel isn't very popular in the US and ppl are scared of the longevity, the Up keep, more oil and so forth. hence why I think Jeep did away with them. 2. Diesels are not meant to idle and have short drives. they are work horses and like to go. this also causes a lot of problems with them. I think knowing this and doing your homework as you are is a great start as to why or why not you want one. If my Porsche came in a diesel I would buy another. OH and FYI my Porsche OIL change is way more than my 3.0 but nobody ever makes that point when asking if the like them. HAHA. Hope this helps with your choice.

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