4xe gateway drug?

[Deleted member 57233]

Haha, ditto here in Montana, gotta love the Mountain West. Most of our commuting, skiing, grocery getting, and trails are <20 miles. Big Sky is 40ish miles, but I think you're required to drive a new Escalade or Land Rover to ski there. ?

Big Sky has changed a lot in the last 10-20 years, but I still love it. The wife's best friend lives in Bozeman, so we get over there a couple times a year.

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[legacy_etu]

That's the thing. When you are used to largely servicing Ford Taurus or Edge buyers (at the time) then when something goes wrong with the M3 priced car you get treated Ford Taurus level service. They don't know how to increase service levels to the same levels as similar priced cars from higher end brands.

Our GC was the same price as a nicely equipped X5 or a GLE but wife has always wanted a GC since she was a kid and we were interested in the plug in because we do so much around town we will never need to fuel up. Also the Trailhawk has so many cool features we just liked it.

Next time for sure we will just go with an X5 or GLE. Or XC90.

Exactly, you have to step up to a pricier brand to get real service....but then you also tend to get higher maintenance costs too.

Can you imagine how the Grand Wagoneer guys feel when they go in for service??!! I said it right when they launched those things, the service departments are going to drive those customers away. Jeep has no idea on what level of service that price vehicle will demand.

Anyway, good luck with your GC. I drove one (non 4XE) and it was a nice ride for sure.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

Exactly, you have to step up to a pricier brand to get real service....but then you also tend to get higher maintenance costs too.

Can you imagine how the Grand Wagoneer guys feel when they go in for service??!! I said it right when they launched those things, the service departments are going to drive those customers away. Jeep has no idea on what level of service that price vehicle will demand.

Anyway, good luck with your GC. I drove one (non 4XE) and it was a nice ride for sure.

Our dealer service has been great, no complaints at all. It's Jeep corporate service.

 

[Jaybre007]

Well, you probably correct in the power etc.. but the cost to basically hard wire the entirety of North America to the extent that finding a charging port is like finding a gas station. Is impossible . It will never be a reality never!! The price to upgrade ones home to charge in an overnight scenario is 20k + alone Not to mention the 70k for an electric vehicle .

Are you smoking crack? Where do you get 20K to upgrade a house? My house had available slots in my breaker panel, had a friend electrician install a 50 amp charger, I charge in my house roughly every night in 2+ hours. Charger cost me $250 and the friends and family install was $130. I sure as hell didn't see 20k. If you need to rewire your entire house and cannot increase your breaker box capacity to facilitate the additional breakers you do not even need to think about getting a PHEV but maybe a new house. Also, do not speak for everyone when making a statement as it gets really confusing to people who do not know what to look for and what questions to ask. You make very definitive statements. I am sure if you were around in the horse and buggy times cars made no sense because there were not enough gas stations.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

Are you smoking crack? Where do you get 20K to upgrade a house? My house had available slots in my breaker panel, had a friend electrician install a 50 amp charger, I charge in my house roughly every night in 2+ hours. Charger cost me $250 and the friends and family install was $130. I sure as hell didn't see 20k. If you need to rewire your entire house and cannot increase your breaker box capacity to facilitate the additional breakers you do not even need to think about getting a PHEV but maybe a new house. Also, do not speak for everyone when making a statement as it gets really confusing to people who do not know what to look for and what questions to ask. You make very definitive statements. I am sure if you were around in the horse and buggy times cars made no sense because there were not enough gas stations.

I don't NEED a new panel but it's strongly strongly advised that I get a new panel. And I need to run through 2 rooms, drop into the garage, and across the gargae itself.

If I went the full install with new panel it would be I think it was $6,500. I dont have access to the quote anymore but I think that's what it came to. Doesn't make sense for what can be done overnight. That's just outside the SF area. $20k is so stupid it's not worth even responding to.

I want to go solar soon so I would just bundle the panel in with that job and maybe do level 2 later down the line. But I don't see any full EV anywhere in our future anyways so not necessary.

 

[Minty JL]

When I had my current house built I had a 220v 50a line run into the garage. It was a $450 option, not for an EV but for a welder

 

[cranbiz]

I ran a 60A feed to my garage about 2 years ago. Mine was also for a welder but could easily be for a Level 2 charger should the need arise.
The most expensive part was 75' 4-3 copper cable to go from my service entrance box to the new garage panel. I probably spent about $600 to do it but an electrician friend and myself did the work and the labor was dinner, some American Honey and a decent cigar.

 

[Dick]

Big Sky has changed a lot in the last 10-20 years, but I still love it. The wife's best friend lives in Bozeman, so we get over there a couple times a year.

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[Xrayphoton1]

Well, you probably correct in the power etc.. but the cost to basically hard wire the entirety of North America to the extent that finding a charging port is like finding a gas station. Is impossible . It will never be a reality never!! The price to upgrade ones home to charge in an overnight scenario is 20k + alone Not to mention the 70k for an electric vehicle .

People say everything is impossible until it isn't. I've heard so many times in my life that somthing was impossible only to see it happen 10-20 years later I just ignore statements like that.

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

I bet you if we went back to build the same cars today that you are referring to from the past that we would far exceed the quality and reliability they originally had.

The issue at the dealer wrt to us is not a skill issue, it's that in order to swap this engine you need someone whose level 3 (highest) in both the engine and high voltage.

That’s also true, hope to get someone that knows how to properly change the oil! ?

 

[j.o.y.ride]

Checked the Jeep app around 8:45 yesterday, was in the lot. Around 9:30 was in the shop. By 10am or so it was offline.

It's being worked on, being ripped apart. Maybe tomorrow it will be done. Likely Monday which is fine.

 

[ecidiego]

I don't NEED a new panel but it's strongly strongly advised that I get a new panel. And I need to run through 2 rooms, drop into the garage, and across the gargae itself.

If I went the full install with new panel it would be I think it was $6,500. I dont have access to the quote anymore but I think that's what it came to. Doesn't make sense for what can be done overnight. That's just outside the SF area. $20k is so stupid it's not worth even responding to.

I want to go solar soon so I would just bundle the panel in with that job and maybe do level 2 later down the line. But I don't see any full EV anywhere in our future anyways so not necessary.

Make sure you check for 400a service when you get quotes. I did an upgrade from 100a to 400a, total cost was $15k. Much of that was the 30" deep trench dug into solid rock. If you are overhead power or loose soil it would be half that. The 400a panel "only" added an additional 2500$ so I figured go big now. That panel allows 80a of PV backfeed from solar which is yuge. CA is banning natural gas period appliances within 10 years - already hit stoves and I think furnaces. The electric load of all electric appliances plus EVs is enormous. Even a 200a isn't enough imo if you have a pool, spa, and all of the other things mentioned.

Residential services are called "320CT" around here - 400a feeders and panel but 320 continuous load meter.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

Make sure you check for 400a service when you get quotes. I did an upgrade from 100a to 400a, total cost was $15k. Much of that was the 30" deep trench dug into solid rock. If you are overhead power or loose soil it would be half that. The 400a panel "only" added an additional 2500$ so I figured go big now. That panel allows 80a of PV backfeed from solar which is yuge.

Residential services are called "320CT" around here - 400a feeders and panel but 320 continuous load meter.

90A is best I can do without tearing my whole place apart. It's fine actually esp if/when we move to solar

 

[ecidiego]

I sure as hell didn't see 20k. If you need to rewire your entire house and cannot increase your breaker box capacity to facilitate the additional breakers you do not even need to think about getting a PHEV but maybe a new house

Depends....

As I mentioned above, I had a 100a panel. Can do NOTHING with that. Just move, right? No way - I have a 2.125% 30 year note. Buy again now? At 7% and vastly inflated prices which would also skyrocket my property taxes?

Service upgrades are where the big money comes. My trenching alone was $7k. If I sold my house, I would:

1. Lose around $50,000 to the real estate agents
2. Have my property tax go from 7k a year ( Prop 13 protected ) to 15k a year if I bought an equivalent property with better electrical.
3. Get a 7% note instead of keep my 2.125

So - you can see that $15k upgrade I did was a far greater investment than moving.

 

[ecidiego]

90A is best I can do without tearing my whole place apart. It's fine actually esp if/when we move to solar

Read up on the 120% rule. A 90A panel is only allowed an 18a PV backfeed....

or were you talking a 90a subpanel for EV?

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