4xe Gladiator Hybrid (PHEV) Confirmed by Jeep CEO for 2025! ⚡️

[chorky]

ce the problem the update is for - perhaps there are some on the internet with that complaint, I've just not seen any yet, but we had ours flashed just to be sure since it's my wife's primary vehicle - and no way I wanted to chance non-working

How big is that battery under the seat? I wonder if they will opt for a bed mounted battery at the cost of bed space instead considering the heavier weight and more power needed in the Gladiator compared to the JL.

, total coal is 2.xx% which include import. CA produce 0.13% from coal. Yes, miniscule. We do get a high percentage from natural gas. But it's way less than half at around 36%. Most of our energy is from renewables and non green house gas. Also, we produce more than 2/3 of hour electricity. These numbers will continue to shift more toward renewable over the next decades. At the same time, coal mine numbers are shrinking. Despite claims that "The

Yeah but one really cannot claim that much 'renewable' energy because to be truthful a person really needs to look at the big picture. In other words, where did those 'renewables' come from? Such as wind turbines. What materials are needed in their manufacturer, transport, install, maintenance - it all matters. Where is the electricity from that powers the computers for the engineers to do their designing? What about office spaces, commenting employees, etc... Looking at something at the end point is really a bad idea because depending on variables, a person can make any pile of poo look like a diamond with enough processes down the line. Saying California's energy is not from greenhouse gasses is flat out wrong if you look into the details deep enough. What if, just saying if because I dont know, the energy needed to create said 'renewable' energy devices was significantly worse than the amount of energy it would ever create in its lifetime... Case in point, the Berkley pit in Butte. It's bad, real bad. But if someone way down stream in Noxon did a water sample they might say something like "well now all that billions of dollars worth of water treatment is doing great, theres next to no sign of contamination here", but you see the fallacy in that, and would you want to be drinking that water despite the 'numbers' being just fine? I doubt it. There are also equal problems caused by all these 'renewable' sources that are simply out of sight out of mind. Kinda like diamond mines in Russia, oh and this super large one in Canada. At the end of the day, the only true method to reduce consumption and pollution is to just have/use/do less. Because 250 years from now someone might say something like, "man, I wish those idiots in 2020 realized that 500 billion wind turbines would screw up the worlds wind patterns and now our weather is all sorts of jacked...."

I mean sure, maybe Ca has it right, but without perspective on a larger scale (which nobody truly has a handle on) you don't know what you don't know, and all that 'renewable' energy could be far far worse than the alternative.

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[ShadowsPapa]

How big is that battery under the seat? I wonder if they will opt for a bed mounted battery at the cost of bed space instead considering the heavier weight and more power needed in the Gladiator compared to the JL.

It takes up the entire under seat area plus a bit behind the seats. It's not possible to put these same batteries under the seat of a JT - you'd have to bump out the rear of the cab.
That's my beef with the JLU 4xe -
you lose cargo area and can't put anything other than a fire-proof piece of paper under the rear seats.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

In other words, where did those 'renewables' come from? Such as wind turbines. What materials are needed in their manufacturer, transport, install, maintenance - it all matters. Where is the electricity from that powers the computers for the engineers to do their designing? What about office spaces, commenting employees, etc...

One can say the same for any energy source - where does coal come from? The risks to the men and women who get it out, the transportation costs - trucks, trains, the equipment needed to mine (those trucks are HUGE, the tires take a crazy amount of rubber and petrol to make and transport just by themselves). there's the mine safety protocols, the byproducts, slag and crap you see in piles around mines and processing areas. Natural gas, same thing - you should see the destruction to farm land for those huge pipelines. Yields are cut for many years after the soil profiles are messed up planting those big pipelines in the ground. The drilling for natural gas, transportation costs and destruction to land and environment, the fuel needed, and the turbines it takes - I worked at CCC where turbocompressor controllers were engineered and manufactured. There's a group of highly skilled engineers from around the world working for decent pay to design those - then the field engineers fly out to the remote locations - there's costs involved in their passports, transportation and in some countries, risks to their lives and health (they used to have to carry thousands in US currency to get back out of some places). So there's huge huge costs for getting your natural gas and coal. Much more than what it takes to design and build turbines and other generating means.
For the wind turbines - most of that takes place right here in Iowa - all of it. But for natural gas - it comes from far off remote places, destroying land and environment, and putting lives at risk getting it - just like coal.
So, I'll compare, and I'll bet that it takes a whole lot more money and resources to get coal and natural gas to where it's needed than to put up wind turbines. In our case - those turbines don't even have to cross state lines. And the only risk to life is to the men and women who put them together.
It must be cheaper - as our electric costs have remained stable for many years. In fact, the conversions from coal and gas have helped make it so.
Having been directly involved with the men and women in the natural gas industry, and all that it takes to get it out and to the consumer, and having had acres of farm ground ruined for years by those pipelines, I'll take that challenge as to the costs - money, lives and environmental.

 

[Alc]

And yet the 4XE Wrangler is the most popular PHEV in the US.

Can you please list the other PHEVs it is being levied against? I honestly can’t think of any outside Stellantis products which is like comparing it to itself. I’m sure there are a few though but I think we would all be surprised how few.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Can you please list the other PHEVs it is being levied against? I honestly can’t think of any outside Stellantis products which is like comparing it to itself. I’m sure there are a few though but I think we would all be surprised how few.

I get your point, but get his as well - the Wrangler is a niche vehicle to begin with. Not a car or truck. And yet there are other PHEVs out there - much cheaper, and more fitting with a typical American vehicle buyer, and to see the JLU 4xe being more popular is quite interesting.
But again - i get your point and would be interested in seeing what PHEVs existed, say, in the 22 or 23 model year, price ranges and so on.
To get into a JLU Rubicon 4xe, NOT counting any "incentives" from dealers or FCA, or any government "incentives" - it's a 70K sticker price. Way out there compared to many other EVs or PHEVs - and I'm speculating honestly as I have not looked at other sticker prices.

 

[homerun]

Can you please list the other PHEVs it is being levied against? I honestly can’t think of any outside Stellantis products which is like comparing it to itself. I’m sure there are a few though but I think we would all be surprised how few.

quick search and I found this site:
https://evadoption.com/ev-models/av...s of March 3, 2023,PHEVs) available in the US.

it’s a little dated as the list is for the 2023 model year.

 

[Alc]

thanks for the reply and website…honestly I forgot about several of them. It does seem like almost all of them are niche vehicles to some extent or other but still an interesting list with Jeep having the most loyal/largest of those niches. Before that list I had forgotten about the MB C63 dumpster fire PHEV…now that’s a vehicle that totally put off its buyers so much so they’re reversing course back to V8s ?.

I’m still looking forward to some real world results of Tacoma’s approach to hybrid vs (at this point) the Gladiator’s. Good to hear Jeep quickly fixed the issues for the 4xe gives me hope the brand won’t destroy itself in the transition to whatever the future will bring.

 

[JamesWyatt]

It takes up the entire under seat area plus a bit behind the seats. It's not possible to put these same batteries under the seat of a JT - you'd have to bump out the rear of the cab.
That's my beef with the JLU 4xe -
you lose cargo area and can't put anything other than a fire-proof piece of paper under the rear seats.

I can see them putting the battery under the bed and splitting the difference – half below the current bed floor and raising the bed floor slightly to accommodate the rest. Wonder how thick the JL 4xe battery would be if spread out that much.

Or they might just use the cargo space in front of and behind the wheel wells but not above the wheel wells. That often goes to waste anyway.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Or they might just use the cargo space in front of and behind the wheel wells but not above the wheel wells. That often goes to waste anyway.

There's a lot of space between the bed walls and the fenders - even a member has put an auxiliary battery there for his accessories. Lots of space if you reach up in there.
Will be interesting for sure. It doesn't have to be just one big mass in one single space.

 

[bleda2002]

I can see them putting the battery under the bed and splitting the difference – half below the current bed floor and raising the bed floor slightly to accommodate the rest. Wonder how thick the JL 4xe battery would be if spread out that much.

Or they might just use the cargo space in front of and behind the wheel wells but not above the wheel wells. That often goes to waste anyway.

Other option is to do what the 4xe 2 door gladiator by Quadratech did and put it between the bed and the cab or even shove it behind the seats in the cab but have the back wall of the cab jut out more to where the bed/cab gap would be

 

[jav_eee]

What materials are needed in their manufacturer, transport, install, maintenance - it all matters.

"clean energy"

 

[Mr._Bill]

I can see them putting the battery under the bed and splitting the difference – half below the current bed floor and raising the bed floor slightly to accommodate the rest. Wonder how thick the JL 4xe battery would be if spread out that much.

Or they might just use the cargo space in front of and behind the wheel wells but not above the wheel wells. That often goes to waste anyway.

They will probably put it in the bed. They will size it to replace the wood supports used to haul plywood. All that will have to be done is lower the tailgate halfway and load it up.

 

[JamesWyatt]

There's a lot of space between the bed walls and the fenders - even a member has put an auxiliary battery there for his accessories. Lots of space if you reach up in there.
Will be interesting for sure. It doesn't have to be just one big mass in one single space.

Other option is to do what the 4xe 2 door gladiator by Quadratech did and put it between the bed and the cab or even shove it behind the seats in the cab but have the back wall of the cab jut out more to where the bed/cab gap would be

Good points. Makes me think the bed might end up with warning stickers all over it that warn not to drill here, there, or over there, either ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Makes me think the bed might end up with warning stickers all over it that warn not to drill here, there, or over there, either

I hope so. I tend to drill holes in things. I can imagine drilling to add more nutserts for my bed rails and hitting one of those batteries.
My wife would be calling her cousin and getting out my will book and saying yippee! Finally, I can get rid of some of this junk!

Reminds me of what I posted when we were talking about gas tank repairs for our AMCs...........

"Thou shall not weld on an unpurged tank for the noise shall be very loud and thy friends would console thy widow in ways generally unacceptable unto thee."

 

[JamesWyatt]

I hope so. I tend to drill holes in things. I can imagine drilling to add more nutserts for my bed rails and hitting one of those batteries.
My wife would be calling her cousin and getting out my will book and saying yippee! Finally, I can get rid of some of this junk!

Reminds me of what I posted when we were talking about gas tank repairs for our AMCs...........

"Thou shall not weld on an unpurged tank for the noise shall be very loud and thy friends would console thy widow in ways generally unacceptable unto thee."

If it was plugged into the wall, she might have seen the lights in the house dim and come back up ?

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