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Lost among sxs.
They are absolutely the worst, going off trail, leaving garbage everywhere, half their camp sites look like homeless camps every morning. Its not hard to be respectful of nature and leave it better than you found it.
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I had taken my near stock Willys Sport (Front bumper and winch) to Hot Springs and did Snake and Quartz Ridge without any major issues, a few scrapes (that sound like you are ripping the frame apart) 🤣

I've been to Northwest OHV also, no issues.

I think the biggest thing to think about is drop ins and clearance because of the length and spare location.

But for you, my largest concern would be the Solo aspect, I make it a point to to with another one/two Jeepers. You have radio comms for approaches, expertise and extra hands for recovery God forbid.
 
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Had been planning to go down a seasonal road / ORV trail in Michigan, OnX Offroad rates it as a 2/10 technical trail (so presumably, bit worse than a dirt road.) But, a few things gave me pause:
  • I can count on one hand the number of times I've had my Jeep off road and have 4 fingers left over
  • That one time was at a south-east Michigan ORV park (Holly Oaks) and in an "Off-roading 101" group for beginners
  • I'm currently up here solo, no passenger (the wife's working,) no friends, nothing. So getting in trouble, I'm on my own...
I've got a near-stock Sport S, I do have a steel bumper with a winch, but no lift and I'm on street tires.

So was I just being cautious as I don't know MY limits yet, or am I a wuss and I should go back tomorrow and tackle the trail?
I'm also planning to stop into a local Jeep performance shop, might ask the proprietor about the trail and see what they think...

Hit me, I can take it! LoL
As long as you other recovery gear , snatch block , shackles, gloves ,shovel some kind of jack (other than a scissor lift) and someone knows where your at you should be fine
 
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So for those following along at home, here's a post-trip report. :)

I caught up with a friend of ours (didn't think we'd manage it,) and they'd driven some of the fire roads / seasonal roads / trails up around Pellston, so the two of us piled into my Jeep and hit a couple. No problems encountered, no need to break out the recovery gear, and never far enough away from "civilization" in some direction to be unable to walk out if needed.

When the wife and I go back up for Labor Day weekend, we're going to try to catch up with them again, and the three of us hit some of the trails (and / or the wife and I hitting the one I decided against soloing)

And, yeah...
The trail was the sort of thing my grandfather would've taken his 70s Buick down without hesitation, so...
I'm a wussy baby man. LoL :LOL:
 

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Had been planning to go down a seasonal road / ORV trail in Michigan, OnX Offroad rates it as a 2/10 technical trail (so presumably, bit worse than a dirt road.) But, a few things gave me pause:
  • I can count on one hand the number of times I've had my Jeep off road and have 4 fingers left over
  • That one time was at a south-east Michigan ORV park (Holly Oaks) and in an "Off-roading 101" group for beginners
  • I'm currently up here solo, no passenger (the wife's working,) no friends, nothing. So getting in trouble, I'm on my own...
I've got a near-stock Sport S, I do have a steel bumper with a winch, but no lift and I'm on street tires.

So was I just being cautious as I don't know MY limits yet, or am I a wuss and I should go back tomorrow and tackle the trail?
I'm also planning to stop into a local Jeep performance shop, might ask the proprietor about the trail and see what they think...

Hit me, I can take it! LoL
Your a wuss...lol just
Kidding of all the things that would give me pause is the street tires.

I really would get something with some different.
But I will say I didn't even have mine for a week and went over a mountain Scenic Highway with 1.5-2
0 foot of snow that is not maintained by the state in the winter. Just do it !!

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Kidding of all the things that would give me pause is the street tires.

I really would get something with some different.
But I will say I didn't even have mine for a week and went over a mountain Scenic Highway with 1.5-2
0 foot of snow that is not maintained by the state in the winter. Just do it !!
Down the road, when it's time for new tires, I might look into getting some A/Ts, but I also need to keep in mind towing our camper and the fact that with everything in the Jeep and camper, I'm fairly close to my payload, too...
 

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Down the road, when it's time for new tires, I might look into getting some A/Ts, but I also need to keep in mind towing our camper and the fact that with everything in the Jeep and camper, I'm fairly close to my payload, too...
That's true and I always suggest staying under as much as possible. One of the biggest things I see go wrong is towing too close and then Wind shear or something breaks em loose. I traveled 100's of thousands of miles on the highways and seen it many times.
 

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Had been planning to go down a seasonal road / ORV trail in Michigan, OnX Offroad rates it as a 2/10 technical trail (so presumably, bit worse than a dirt road.) But, a few things gave me pause:
  • I can count on one hand the number of times I've had my Jeep off road and have 4 fingers left over
  • That one time was at a south-east Michigan ORV park (Holly Oaks) and in an "Off-roading 101" group for beginners
  • I'm currently up here solo, no passenger (the wife's working,) no friends, nothing. So getting in trouble, I'm on my own...
I've got a near-stock Sport S, I do have a steel bumper with a winch, but no lift and I'm on street tires.

So was I just being cautious as I don't know MY limits yet, or am I a wuss and I should go back tomorrow and tackle the trail?
I'm also planning to stop into a local Jeep performance shop, might ask the proprietor about the trail and see what they think...

Hit me, I can take it! LoL
Just remember to have a GMRS or CB radio to call for assistance, if needed. You cannot rely on cell signal. Tell someone where you going and when you expect to be back.
Your stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle. The right tires and knowing your limitations can go a long way. Also, you need to consider airing down and they back up. Have a plan for that.
Good luck.
 

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Down the road, when it's time for new tires, I might look into getting some A/Ts, but I also need to keep in mind towing our camper and the fact that with everything in the Jeep and camper, I'm fairly close to my payload, too...
Perhaps you should consider running "LT" tires instead of "P"-rated tires for towing/hauling.
 
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Just remember to have a GMRS or CB radio to call for assistance, if needed. You cannot rely on cell signal. Tell someone where you going and when you expect to be back.
Your stock Jeep is a very capable vehicle. The right tires and knowing your limitations can go a long way. Also, you need to consider airing down and they back up. Have a plan for that.
Good luck.
So after one of the 4Fest events, I picked up a set of "deflators" that screw onto your valve stem, you set them to the desired PSI and let them go. When I was originally planning my trip and planning to solo the trail, I also picked up a Harbor Freight compressor that connects directly to the battery by a couple clamps to re-inflate the tires...

Perhaps you should consider running "LT" tires instead of "P"-rated tires for towing/hauling.
So I'm on the stock Bridgestone Dueler H/T tires, which from what I can find on Tirerack.com, are "truck" tires and not passenger tires. So that should be good (unless I'm reading things wrong, which wouldn't be surprising)
 

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So after one of the 4Fest events, I picked up a set of "deflators" that screw onto your valve stem, you set them to the desired PSI and let them go. When I was originally planning my trip and planning to solo the trail, I also picked up a Harbor Freight compressor that connects directly to the battery by a couple clamps to re-inflate the tires...



So I'm on the stock Bridgestone Dueler H/T tires, which from what I can find on Tirerack.com, are "truck" tires and not passenger tires. So that should be good (unless I'm reading things wrong, which wouldn't be surprising)
They are truck tires. They just come with a highway tread, and are not too good in poor traction conditions.
 

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You can get D and E rated ATs if you want a better off road tire that still has no problem towing. I wouldn't hesitate to tow with the 37" MTs on my mojave but I've been driving Jeeps mostly on MTs for ~30 years.
 

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Down the road, when it's time for new tires, I might look into getting some A/Ts, but I also need to keep in mind towing our camper and the fact that with everything in the Jeep and camper, I'm fairly close to my payload, too...
Fairly close to payload is a very strong argument for switching to LT tires. If you keep the H/Ts then at least add air pressure to all tires and feel how hot the back tires are getting compared to the fronts. If the backs are noticeably warmer than the fronts after some time towing and/or hauling, then add more air to all tires. This happened to me with load range E LT tires, and I brought them up to 50psi before they seemed happy. This was while towing at highway speeds in summer.

Edit: And I leave them at 50psi all the time, and they seem to be wearing just fine. Similar for an older truck whose tires lasted forever at 50psi for LT-E even when not towing.
 
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Fairly close to payload is a very strong argument for switching to LT tires. If you keep the H/Ts then at least add air pressure to all tires and feel how hot the back tires are getting compared to the fronts. If the backs are noticeably warmer than the fronts after some time towing and/or hauling, then add more air to all tires. This happened to me with load range E LT tires, and I brought them up to 50psi before they seemed happy. This was while towing at highway speeds in summer.
I'll go one better than just feeling the tires, I've got an infrared thermometer I bought to check the trailer tires and bearing temps, I can use that.

I'm presuming, too, when you say touch the tires, you're talking more the sidewall than the tread?
 

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Yes the sidewall. And I left off the decorative covers on the trailer bearings so I can touch the bearing caps themselves. One quick touch of 4 truck tires and 2 trailer tires and 2 trailer bearing caps tells a lot. If you travel a long way in one direction on a sunny day then there is a noticeable difference in temperature between the side facing the sun vs the other side, so don't panic if they are not identical.
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