Angry Wrangler And Gladiator Owners Are Taking Jeep To Court...

[sharpsicle]

I'm really saying a bunch of nail biting nervous wrecks sitting on a forum and filing lawsuits about what could possibly maybe happen some day potentially while they're out for a latte, if not who I would want as a client base, even if my per unit price was 15k higher.

So, again making the assumption the claims end up being true, the target client base would be people who are quiet and compliant?

I’ll just reiterate that I don’t believe this case has any merit to it. But that doesn’t mean anybody is more or less of a Jeep customer.

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[ShadowsPapa]

This can be talked about, hashed over, tossed back and forth, debated, argued, 'til the cows come home (about 4pm this time of year?) but it's really all just opinions because we have no facts at all.
There's been fires. There is a suspect area, it's being investigated. It must not be very cut and dried as otherwise, if it was a simple thing to nail down, we'd have cards going out and parts to fix it going to dealers.

Fires destroy evidence - even arson investigators say the fire often destroys evidence.

imagine a fire burning in an enclosed area with petrol-based fluids - gasoline, oil, diesel fuel, even brake fluid will burn if it has a "wick" effect to work on - something to help it, and there's plenty under the hood.
The plastics used, the air filter box and filter itself, hoses, wire insulation, you name it. And once a fire gets going, insulation burns and/or melts off the wires, things move and shift, meaning wires don't end up where they started. It may look like a wire was against a ground, but it only ended up there as a result of the fire. Plastic connector shells will burn and melt. Look at the external destruction in the photos around the web of car or Jeep fires, then imagine how everything under the hood is moved around, melted, burned, even gone.
I have a burn pile that's normally used for brush, dead tree parts, or mulberry trees I've cut down and burn. I sometimes toss the trash from my shop into that pile. It sometimes includes old air filters, copper wires, trashed motor windings and other parts. If you go out there right now and rake through the debris, about all you'll find are a few bits of steel. There's really nothing out there to find aside from really solid bits. Wires - gone! you might find some parts if you look closely and carefully enough, but imagine the heat of an engine bay fire, then imagine how not easy it would be to nail down the source, especially since a lot of things will be - GONE.

 

[sharpsicle]

'til the cows come home (about 4pm this time of year?)

A true midwesterner hahaha.

As a kid, I remember using the sound of cows moo-ing as a sign that I needed to go home. Dusk rolls around and they'd be singing.

 

[Viper501]

@ShadowsPapa I’m pretty sure that Ohio tops the list, beating all other states by a large margin.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

@ShadowsPapa I’m pretty sure that Ohio tops the list, beating all other states by a large margin.

Won't argue - some of it depends on how the questions are asked, the stats used and who did it.
I've been through there several times heading farther east, and have been there multiple times for car shows and so on. I will say one thing - after driving through parts of Ohio and around Indianapolis, I will never again complain about Iowa highways! You guys win! Chunks of concrete on the freeways, huge holes that would knock a semi around. Ouch.

 

[Badunit]

General public opinion still thinks the McDonald's "Hot Coffee" case was lawsuit lottery run amok, yet i know very few people who actually sit and read the facts of the case and maintain that opinion.

I've read the McDonalds case. The only important "fact" is that EVERYONE should know not to put a full piping hot cup of coffee that is in a very flexible container between their legs and EVERYONE should know not to attempt to open it while it is there. I don't care if the coffee is 140 degrees or 180 degrees or even if it is an icy cup of Coke, EVERYONE should know not to do something so friggin stupid. And that is what it was, abject stupidity. Maybe they should have felt sorry for that stupid elderly woman and paid her medical bills out of the goodness of their hearts, but not because they had any liability. This is why everyone mentions this case, because the courts ruled on the side of abject stupidity. I might have been on her side if it spilled because McDonald's didn't put the lid on correctly, but that was not the case.

To be clear, I am sorry she got burned. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I think it was by her own doing, though.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

I've read the McDonalds case. The only important "fact" is that EVERYONE should know not to put a full piping hot cup of coffee that is in a very flexible container between their legs and EVERYONE should know not to attempt to open it while it is there. I don't care if the coffee is 140 degrees or 180 degrees or even if it is an icy cup of Coke, EVERYONE should know not to do something so friggin stupid. And that is what it was, abject stupidity. Maybe they should have felt sorry for that stupid elderly woman and paid her medical bills out of the goodness of their hearts, but not because they had any liability. This is why everyone mentions this case, because the courts ruled on the side of abject stupidity. I might have been on her side if it spilled because McDonald's didn't put the lid on correctly, but that was not the case.

To be clear, I am sorry she got burned. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I think it was by her own doing, though.

Are you familiar with the Winnebago cruise control case? Talk about stupid!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I've read the McDonalds case. The only important "fact" is that EVERYONE should know not to put a full piping hot cup of coffee that is in a very flexible container between their legs and EVERYONE should know not to attempt to open it while it is there. I don't care if the coffee is 140 degrees or 180 degrees or even if it is an icy cup of Coke, EVERYONE should know not to do something so friggin stupid. And that is what it was, abject stupidity. Maybe they should have felt sorry for that stupid elderly woman and paid her medical bills out of the goodness of their hearts, but not because they had any liability. This is why everyone mentions this case, because the courts ruled on the side of abject stupidity. I might have been on her side if it spilled because McDonald's didn't put the lid on correctly, but that was not the case.

To be clear, I am sorry she got burned. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I think it was by her own doing, though.

Yeah, there's such a thing as shared responsibility. You don't put something like that between your legs and open it. The lid is often what's making the cup hold its shape. Lid off, it's squeezed.

Here's a good one - a farmer a few miles from where I used to farm won over a million dollars from an equipment manufacturer - after he fell off his silo (with no ladder shield around it) and onto said equipment, breaking his back. If the equipment had been shaped better and with shielding, he'd have not broken his back on it. Yeah, it was a local case. Heard it straight from my insurance agent who had the guy's policies.
I later learned the guy built a nice new house with indoor pool, etc., from the proceeds.
Uh, who's fault was it the guy fell to begin with? Crazy world.

 

[Viper501]

McD’s was completely foreseeable. They also had multiple *prior* events just like that poor lady. They increased the temp of the coffee because they wanted to alleviate complaints from folks who were whining their coffee wasn’t hot 20 minutes later when they got to the office. Solution was to bump the temp up far beyond what coffee should be held at. The jury saw the problem as foreseeable and that McD’s put their profits at the top of their priorities even when they knew it happened multiple times before.

The silo guy case happens. I’m not going to say that frivolous litigation does not happen. There is a ‘local’ jurisdiction that was listed in a Fortune article a few years ago as one of the top ”Judicial Hellholes” in the U.S. The same jurisdiction recently made international news with one of the scions murdering his wife and son ….

 

[Badunit]

They increased the temp of the coffee because they wanted to alleviate complaints from folks who were whining their coffee wasn’t hot 20 minutes later when they got to the office. Solution was to bump the temp up far beyond what coffee should be held at. The jury saw the problem as foreseeable and that McD’s put their profits at the top of their priorities even when they knew it happened multiple times before.

Or stated another way, they made the coffee hot to meet the demands of their customer base. It increased sales, as you would expect if hot coffee was requested by their customers. I recall how pissed off everyone was afterward when they could no longer get hot coffee, just the same lukewarm stuff everyone else was selling.

If Jeep puts a more powerful engine in the Gladiator and some idiot can't handle the power and injures themself in a wreck, should they sue Jeep because it was "foreseeable" that someone would be an idiot? Should Jeep have to recall the engines and remove the power from everyone?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Or stated another way, they made the coffee hot to meet the demands of their customer base. It increased sales, as you would expect if hot coffee was requested by their customers. I recall how pissed off everyone was afterward when they could no longer get hot coffee, just the same lukewarm stuff everyone else was selling.

If Jeep puts a more powerful engine in the Gladiator and some idiot can't handle the power and injures themself in a wreck, should they sue Jeep because it was "foreseeable" that someone would be an idiot? Should Jeep have to recall the engines and remove the power from everyone?

Jeep ruined my tires!!

 

[Rubicon Runnin' Bob]

The ONLY life-forms (because I can't call Lawyers people or human) that win, in a class action suit, are the Lawyers.

You'll get $100 (maybe), the scum sucking, POS Lawyers will get MILLIONS.

 

[Willy&Gladys]

I may also end up with death wobble and have an accident. Maybe time to sue.

So far these money seekers have nothing solid to run with. Fires - but no proven cause. Investigation not over.
Sue after a cause is pinpointed by someone and then show Jeep sat on it and refused to deal with it. That's when you sue. There's nothing to accuse them of yet - nothing solid and no proof they ignored it when something is actionable.

Speaking of lawsuits...I believe I have a Jeep Doppelgänger. This is my 10th (or 11th) Jeep. Since the early 70's. CJ owners would almost always wave to one another. Now, with my JT, I'm averaging less than half of other Jeep owners waving back. Obviously Jeep owners are of a higher intelligence than most drivers so I have to conclude that those that do not wave recognize that my JT is merely a look alike. Therefore I conclude that I must sue Stelantis for selling me a Jeep copy.

 

[yoda13]

Speaking of lawsuits...I believe I have a Jeep Doppelgänger. This is my 10th (or 11th) Jeep. Since the early 70's. CJ owners would almost always wave to one another. Now, with my JT, I'm averaging less than half of other Jeep owners waving back. Obviously Jeep owners are of a higher intelligence than most drivers so I have to conclude that those that do not wave recognize that my JT is merely a look alike. Therefore I conclude that I must sue Stelantis for selling me a Jeep copy.

LOL. If you are serious about the waves, some jeepers don’t like the Gladiator. That might be your problem.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

LOL. If you are serious about the waves, some jeepers don’t like the Gladiator. That might be your problem.

You're not a Jeeper if you don't like the Gladiator.

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