Anyone else use this ATF in their Gladiator 8-speed?

[WILDHOBO]

Bringing in another ATF like "Honda" just dilutes the discussion, doesn't add anything to it really.


Warranty is a piece of paper. You have to get the oil company and the transmission repair/replacement shop to agree as to the cause and who is paying.
It's a pain in the ass to deal with yet another party's warranty - time and money and in the meantime, your vehicle is down while you try to fight through fine print and blame.
A company saying "if you use our fluid instead of what's recommended, we will guarantee you have no problems and even pay for repairs blah blah blah..........
Yeah, dealing with Safelite's guarantee is proof enough I don't want to have to mess with some other party's guarantee.


If you change the following percentage of ATF each time, here is a PERCENTAGE chart to see how many changes will be required to fully change the ATF:
35% of the total drained each time = 7 changes to achieve 95% new ATF
40% of the total drained each time = 6 changes to achieve 95% new ATF
45% of the total drained each time = 5 changes to achieve 95% new ATF
50% of the total drained each time = 4 changes to achieve 94% new ATF
55% of the total drained each time = 4 changes to achieve 96% new ATF

Who here wants to buy fluid for 4 changes.

It's bad enough to fight Jeep - but then bring in another company who says "it wasn't us, ours meets or beats specs" - or even if it's not under warranty - you still have to go through the process. You can't simply say "I used your fluid and now my transmission is dead" -

Exactly. It’s bonkers that anyone considers doing this. I’d like to note that no one will respond to my question regarding other fluid being “better”. Because no one knows that to be true. This is a stupid debate. The people on the other side of this debate don’t care about their vehicles. They just want to troll these threads.

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[Hootbro]

The pearl clutch about mixing fluids is pretty incredible. It can be done with satisfactory results.

The boxing in statements are interesting.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The pearl clutch about mixing fluids is pretty incredible. It can be done with satisfactory results.

But if it can go bad, why do it? What point are you proving? Is it better than using mopar 8/9? Direct question. Is it better?

 

[WILDHOBO]

But if it can go bad, why do it? What point are you proving? Is it better than using mopar 8/9? Direct question. Is it better?

I’ll answer the question. No. It is not better. Extra variables are being added for no reason.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Interesting how the motor oil geek is a pro with some things, but his warnings and even demonstrated proof of sometimes negative results aren't important otherwise........

The percentage chart I posted was from another SAE engineer.

Satisfactory - yeah, that's been shown many times.
I like knowns, especially when there's not really a price difference.

To quote a pro that some here like to quote - 'the motor oil geek' - one test showed increased wear, a decrease in anti-wear protection, when oil formulations collided.
I want more than satisfactory, I want to know that wear protection isn't reduced even in the slightest, and there's no risk of chemistries clashing.
So I choose my method.
Those who have found it "satisfactory" have chosen theirs.

I do what I want and have done over the decades.

Others do it differently (although I haven't yet seen the advantages of those shown anywhere. So what are the advantages of not using ZF fluid?)

 

[Hootbro]

There it goes again, ask the question, answer yourself before one can answer and now the narrative is boxed in.

It seems this is not a discussion that can be a difference of opinion but a suppression of opinion should it counter or disagree with ones narrative.

Not everything is a binary answer. Just rustles the Jimmies of some it seems.

 

[WILDHOBO]

There it goes again, ask the question, answer yourself before one can answer and now the narrative is boxed in.

It seems this is not a discussion that can be a difference of opinion but a suppression of opinion should it counter or disagree with ones narrative.

Not everything is a binary answer. Just rustles the Jimmies of some it seems.

I asked the same question before. Why didn’t you answer? You’re welcome to now. Let me prepare myself.

 

[WILDHOBO]

There it goes again, ask the question, answer yourself before one can answer and now the narrative is boxed in.

It seems this is not a discussion that can be a difference of opinion but a suppression of opinion should it counter or disagree with ones narrative.

Not everything is a binary answer. Just rustles the Jimmies of some it seems.

Nice try at gaslighting though.

 

[Hootbro]

Nice try at gaslighting though.

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Sorry you feel that way.

But you won’t answer the question, and tried to turn it back on me. Will you answer the question? Why is it BETTER to use a different fluid?

 

[Hootbro]

But you won’t answer the question, and tried to turn it back on me. Will you answer the question? Why is it BETTER to use a different fluid?

It's sufficient, I am not making claim of better.

 

[WILDHOBO]

It's sufficient, I am not making claim of better.

But it isn’t, is it? It would be sufficient if it were used to fill an empty, new, dry transmission. But it’s wholly insufficient for a pan drop with a roughly 60% refill.

 

[Hootbro]

But it isn’t, is it? It would be sufficient if it were used to fill an empty, new, dry transmission. But it’s wholly insufficient for a pan drop with a roughly 60% refill.

I have not seen the examples where it would say otherwise to be a detriment to run a mix fluid when the new fluid has been been deemed compatible (but not licensed) by said fluid maker when compared to the original spec fluid.

I have mentioned it in other threads that I have run mixed fluids in my 2020 JT with no issue as have many on the Wrangler, RAM and European vehicle forums that run ZF based transmissions. Even the European Parts houses like FCP Euro sell ZF transmission fluid and filter kits with unlicensed but compatible fluid as deemed by the fluid makers.

Yes, the use of licensed fluids will always be the most correct answer, especially while in vehicle warranty, but the use of compatible deemed unlicensed fluids by reputable fluid makers has not really shown to be a detriment in actual use.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I have not seen the examples where it would say otherwise to be a detriment to run a mix fluid when the new fluid has been been deemed compatible (but not licensed) by said fluid maker when compared to the original spec fluid.

I have mentioned it in other threads that I have run mixed fluids in my 2020 JT with no issue as have many on the Wrangler, RAM and European vehicle forums that run ZF based transmissions. Even the European Parts houses like FCP Euro sell ZF transmission fluid and filter kits with unlicensed but compatible fluid as deemed by the fluid makers.

Yes, the use of licensed fluids will always be the most correct answer, especially while in vehicle warranty, but the use of compatible deemed unlicensed fluids by reputable fluid makers has not really shown to be a detriment in actual use.

Again. My argument is not that the fluids aren’t good enough on their own, but that the my shouldn’t be combined.

The “others have done it” argument doesn’t hold much water without a single detail. Which fluids, how many miles, etc?

 

[Hootbro]

Again. My argument is not that the fluids aren’t good enough on their own, but that the my shouldn’t be combined.

The “others have done it” argument doesn’t hold much water without a single detail. Which fluids, how many miles, etc?

And my opinion is contrary to yours and that is all that I am expressing and will continue to express in any other like circumstance here. Like, do not like it, that is fine and I am ok with that. I am not going to give you the absolution you are looking for.

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