Anyone else use this ATF in their Gladiator 8-speed?

[WILDHOBO]

And my opinion is contrary to yours and that is all that I am expressing and will continue to express in any other like circumstance here. Like, do not like it, that is fine and I am ok with that. I am not going to give you the absolution you are looking for.

The only thing I want is to steer the op in the least risky direction. Which is what I did.

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[Stan H]

And my opinion is contrary to yours and that is all that I am expressing and will continue to express in any other like circumstance here. Like, do not like it, that is fine and I am ok with that. I am not going to give you the absolution you are looking for.

I would say this .. your on a pan am trail trip and the unthinkable happens a pan leak . You find your low on fluid . Luckily you able to get your hands on Valvoline max life.
To keep the transmission from flat burning out and to get you to safety etc. It must be put in no delivery option for mopar 8&9 is possible .
Now the conundrum are you willing to put in the maxlife or after your leak is fixed through a couple of improperly tightened bolts? Or are you stuck?.
For me I stick it in .
I GET BACK .then I drain absolutely as much of the original as I can and then start a regimen of changes .
Unless the transmission is new we know a flush is bad juju.
I might even chance a flush . Just saying.
How's that for a monkey wrench

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The only thing I want is to steer the op in the least risky direction. Which is what I did.

Yes, watch a few of the motor oil geek videos and he talks of that risk.
I'm not sure about "deemed compatible" - by the company - or, by people who have mixed them?
No one has said they'd blow up - just that a conflict you will never know about can arise and you lose some of the protection you had before.
It's the same reason companies say to not put in additives - not that it will all gel and stop things solid - just that you can lose protection. No one is talking failure or gelling (like mixing antifreeze can do) but you can lose the protection. It works, it's satisfactory, but there's a risk you lose some of the wear protection, viscosity protection, anti-oxidation properties and other things.
You'll not know it, necessarily. It is a proven by lab tests risk, though.

No one has said you'll be left stranded. But it's a fact, you MAY lose some protection. They can be "compatible" but unless the additive packages are the same - there can be "conflicts" that only show up later.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I would say this .. your on a pan am trail trip and the unthinkable happens a pan leak . You find your low on fluid . Luckily you able to get your hands on Valvoline max life.
To keep the transmission from flat burning out and to get you to safety etc. It must be put in no delivery option for mopar 8&9 is possible .
Now the conundrum are you willing to put in the maxlife or after your leak is fixed through a couple of improperly tightened bolts? Or are you stuck?.
For me I stick it in .
I GET BACK .then I drain absolutely as much of the original as I can and then start a regimen of changes .
Unless the transmission is new we know a flush is bad juju.
I might even chance a flush . Just saying.
How's that for a monkey wrench

In that situation, I’ll put in whatever will get me off the trail, same as you. Hopefully belly skids will prevent that from happening, but sure. If it happens, I’ll get off the trail. But on the road, I’ll tow it.

 

[Vtur]

I have no doubt. Of course I ignored the “free” anything from the dealer. The last time it saw a dealer it was new and I drove it home. I won’t allow them to touch lug nuts, much less my oil filter housing.

I’m not saying everyone should do their own maintenance. It’s fun for me. But choose a mechanic you trust and make sure they’re using the products you want in your vehicle. If they won’t, they’re the wrong shop.

Same here. Mine only went back twice since new, both were for recalls.

 

[Vtur]

A lot them do it. Especially if it is customer pay non warranty work.

Yup. Some Toyota's dealers use Moc branded fluid as well. They getting them in bulk. Unless one gets to watch them actually pouring it into the engine, who know what went in.

 

[Hootbro]

Yup. Some Toyota's dealers use Moc branded fluid as well. They getting them in bulk. Unless one gets to watch them actually pouring it into the engine, who know what went in.

Probably used their "Premium Synthetic ATF - LV Fluid" version of their product.

Toyota WS, DEXRON VI, MERCON LV and ZF 8/9 Speed fluid are all pretty much "Kissing Cousins" of each other in technical properties. That is why they are mix compatible and "Universal Fluids" like this product cover a wide range in applications. Pretty much the same with the BG product the OP first mentioned.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Yup. Some Toyota's dealers use Moc branded fluid as well. They getting them in bulk. Unless one gets to watch them actually pouring it into the engine, who know what went in.

Engine Oil bothers me less as almost all of it comes out when drained.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I would say this .. your on a pan am trail trip and the unthinkable happens a pan leak . You find your low on fluid . Luckily you able to get your hands on Valvoline max life.
To keep the transmission from flat burning out and to get you to safety etc. It must be put in no delivery option for mopar 8&9 is possible .
Now the conundrum are you willing to put in the maxlife or after your leak is fixed through a couple of improperly tightened bolts? Or are you stuck?.
For me I stick it in .
I GET BACK .then I drain absolutely as much of the original as I can and then start a regimen of changes .
Unless the transmission is new we know a flush is bad juju.
I might even chance a flush . Just saying.
How's that for a monkey wrench

Valvoline is a unique company. They do their own additives, they have their own testing labs and more that other companies don't have.
If I could no longer get the ZF fluid - it's one I'd consider switching to

Engine Oil bothers me less as almost all of it comes out when drained.

It's not the technical specs, it's the chemistry.
As far as engine oil, I'll try to remember later today to show what can happen ... A video from the motor oil geek.....increased wear until he changed the oil a second time to flush out all of the prior oil brand. Chemicals, not technical specs, pour point and so on.
He does two changes on his own car when changing to a different oil and his car holds 9 quarts.
Will anyone here even know or care about decreased wear protection? Hell, no. You can tell by the posts. But it can be there.
Picking nits, I know.....but to date, I can still say never lost an engine or transmission, and that includes all of those I worked on over the years, not just mine.

 

[Hootbro]

It's not the technical specs, it's the chemistry.

Valvoline has it pretty well sorted.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Valvoline has it pretty well sorted.

Yes, it's about the only other brand of hypoid lube or atf I'd use. They are way above the others in many ways.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Yes, it's about the only other brand of hypoid lube or atf I'd use. They are way above the others in many ways.

I’m glad that’s what I always put in the diffs then.

 

[Stan H]

Valvoline is a unique company. They do their own additives, they have their own testing labs and more that other companies don't have.
If I could no longer get the ZF fluid - it's one I'd consider switching to

It's not the technical specs, it's the chemistry.
As far as engine oil, I'll try to remember later today to show what can happen ... A video from the motor oil geek.....increased wear until he changed the oil a second time to flush out all of the prior oil brand. Chemicals, not technical specs, pour point and so on.
He does two changes on his own car when changing to a different oil and his car holds 9 quarts.
Will anyone here even know or care about decreased wear protection? Hell, no. You can tell by the posts. But it can be there.
Picking nits, I know.....but to date, I can still say never lost an engine or transmission, and that includes all of those I worked on over the years, not just mine.

The one thing I dearly miss about the JKU was it had a transmission dipstick.

 

[Rusty PW]

Hold the discussion. I got to get a refill of my popcorn and ice tea.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The one thing I dearly miss about the JKU was it had a transmission dipstick.

How quaint..........

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