Anyone else wonder if this would work for a Gladiator? And yes its Aluminum w/ dual swingout.

[stingrey]

The weight of the spare does so count because its flipped up on end and moved out to rear of vehicle. This lncreases thevweight. Dont believe me, ask any 4 year old thats played on a teeter totter. The further out the more downward force the weight puts on the rear.

Correct(ish)
Moment increases (Moment = mass x distance).
The distance from the the axle and the ground plays heavily.

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[Sweetums]

When you can fit up to a 37" in the stock location by changing the track bar, I just don't understand why anyone would hang the tire off the back.

 

[PuddleJumper]

When you can fit up to a 37" in the stock location by changing the track bar, I just don't understand why anyone would hang the tire off the back.

I can but 2 major points.

1. I got a cheap 25 gal tank i wanna put there instead.

2. I don't like how easily my spare can become trapped under when i need it. Plus I use it as a sand anchor for recovery at the beach.

 

[Freems]

When you can fit up to a 37" in the stock location by changing the track bar, I just don't understand why anyone would hang the tire off the back.

It only took one bad stuck a few years ago with the rear end buried (in what looked like a dark spot in the field) with a bonus of one tire rolled off the rim, three hours of digging to get the spare out and on. Ever since I look for some where else to keep my spare.

 

[Crazy Wes]

Correct(ish)
Moment increases (Moment = mass x distance).
The distance from the the axle and the ground plays heavily.

"Ish." Lol I can go with that

 

[bryanklay]

IS there any things you deleted or avoided to save weight? I'm trying to convert everything to aluminum and have even tossed my RTT for a hammok setup. I did go 37s so I know thats not helping. I'd like to be sitting at 5500-5600 ready roll full kit.

as I built this unit, i was not to worried about the weight so much as the ability to do what i wanted to do. I did however, as i built the system kept track of the weight. once i had everything done, i weighed the jeep 45 times to see how the weight did change and where the change occured. last year i was out on the east coast playing and did not have any issues with the setup. the milage loaded or unloaded was still 17 mpg. i have now upgraded the ball joints and over the winter, i want to change the fox shocks to the Performance Elite Series 2.5.
most of the time, i go play in the spring, fall, and winter. the summer is for riding a motorcycle cross-country except this year i am at home because i had to have my right shoulder repaired.

as to the costal offroad system, it would work great, but you will need a steel bumper for it which is a dime a dozen to get.

 

[AmishMike]

I don't like the leverage of that weight back there, but like the availability of the spare.
Why not bob it like @Kindafearless ? Takes care of the leverage and looks awesome!
Well then you lose storage in the bed......

 

[PuddleJumper]

as I built this unit, i was not to worried about the weight so much as the ability to do what i wanted to do. I did however, as i built the system kept track of the weight. once i had everything done, i weighed the jeep 45 times to see how the weight did change and where the change occured. last year i was out on the east coast playing and did not have any issues with the setup. the milage loaded or unloaded was still 17 mpg. i have now upgraded the ball joints and over the winter, i want to change the fox shocks to the Performance Elite Series 2.5.
most of the time, i go play in the spring, fall, and winter. the summer is for riding a motorcycle cross-country except this year i am at home because i had to have my right shoulder repaired.

as to the costal offroad system, it would work great, but you will need a steel bumper for it which is a dime a dozen to get.

gotcha. I'm just gonna make a simple bash bar inside my stock bumper and cut it up attach the doors.

 

[outdoor.adventures]

as I built this unit, i was not to worried about the weight so much as the ability to do what i wanted to do. I did however, as i built the system kept track of the weight. once i had everything done, i weighed the jeep 45 times to see how the weight did change and where the change occured. last year i was out on the east coast playing and did not have any issues with the setup. the milage loaded or unloaded was still 17 mpg. i have now upgraded the ball joints and over the winter, i want to change the fox shocks to the Performance Elite Series 2.5.
most of the time, i go play in the spring, fall, and winter. the summer is for riding a motorcycle cross-country except this year i am at home because i had to have my right shoulder repaired.

as to the costal offroad system, it would work great, but you will need a steel bumper for it which is a dime a dozen to get.

Personally, I would have weighed it at least 52 times across all the weeks of the year.

 

[bryanklay]

Personally, I would have weighed it at least 52 times across all the weeks of the year.

I never thought about that. to complete that idea, it would cost 13.00 dollars a week.

PuddleJumper
in my opinion, if a person is really good at welding, i think you could build something you want. as a retired math instructor, i told a lot of my students they can make a great living by knowing how to weld. this winter, i am going to the Davis Tech College and take some welding classes.

 

[PuddleJumper]

I never thought about that. to complete that idea, it would cost 13.00 dollars a week.

PuddleJumper
in my opinion, if a person is really good at welding, i think you could build something you want. as a retired math instructor, i told a lot of my students they can make a great living by knowing how to weld. this winter, i am going to the Davis Tech College and take some welding classes.

I’ve been DIY welding to an acceptable standard for a few years now. I haven’t tried aluminum but I got the equipment so I might as well try.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'd do whatever I could to not hang that much stuff off the back.

Your bed must be out of the question?

Yeah, people talk about bending things, "how could that happen" or "why would that happen" and then go and hang the weight of a spare tire and more off the very far back end of the frame.............. don't go starting a "I bent my frame" thread if you do that and then use the Jeep as it's made to normally handle.
That spare is in a perfect place normally - not contributing to the forces that wreck things.
Go and hang a heavy bumper, 100 pound spare and how much in fuel weight back there.
Just waiting for the next "I broke my Jeep" thread - blaming Jeep.
This would be all the time weight, not "just while I tow" weight.

The far rear end of a frame is the last place I would want weight shifted to, especially if I ever wanted to tow.
If you move a lot of weight to the far back end, wouldn't you expect the front end to handle wonky because you took weight off the steering tires?

It's not just weight alone - it's where that weight is, and the leverage or advantage it has over things - raised center of gravity, constant pounding down in the rear end of the frame, taking weight off the steering axle.

Moving the weight up changes the center of gravity and handling and braking and steering in emergencies.

I only mention all of that hoping people think it through and not just say "I've got plenty of payload left, no problem" "I weighed it and it's still under max payload".

 

[PuddleJumper]

Yeah, people talk about bending things, "how could that happen" or "why would that happen" and then go and hand the weight of a spare tire and more off the very far back end of the frame.............. don't go starting a "I bent my frame" threat if you do that and then use the Jeep as it's made to normally handle.
That spare is in a perfect place normally - not contributing to the forces that wreck things.
Go and hang a heavy bumper, 100 pound spare and how much in fuel weight back there.
Just waiting for the next "I broke my Jeep" thread - blaming Jeep.
This would be all the time weight, not "just while I tow" weight.

The far rear end of a frame is the last place I would want weight shifted to, especially if I ever wanted to tow.
If you move a lot of weight to the far back end, wouldn't you expect the front end to handle wonky because you took weight off the steering tires?

It's not just weight alone - it's where that weight is, and the leverage or advantage it has over things - raised center of gravity, constant pounding down in the rear end of the frame, taking weight off the steering axle.

Moving the weight up changes the center of gravity and handling and braking and steering in emergencies.

I only mention all of that hoping people think it through and not just say "I've got plenty of payload left, no problem" "I weighed it and it's still under max payload".

Yeah I hear ya. Its just to hold me over till I find the flatbed i want. TBh I've seen plenty of Gladiator rocking rear swingouts with no issues. Plus seen Tacoma's with thinner weaker rear frames get by just fine as well. Due to this thread I haven't found the perfect solution. So If i do, do one, it'll be temporary.

 

[Blade1668]

Yeah I hear ya. Its just to hold me over till I find the flatbed i want. TBh I've seen plenty of Gladiator rocking rear swingouts with no issues. Plus seen Tacoma's with thinner weaker rear frames get by just fine as well. Due to this thread I haven't found the perfect solution. So If i do, do one, it'll be temporary.

I thought about one to haul fuel and a spare tire on but dismissed it as not a good idea adding weight there. One of my future projects is possibly a rear bumper for my JT, it would have been started a few weeks back. That got pushed back due to my "local" metal supplier not being open and needing to do some work on my LJ. A buddy of mine just traded his other vehicle for a used JT and is wanting a similar bumper setup. Not for the reasons you have though. (I sent him a link to join here but doubt he has or will.) But knowing him he will be ordering the one he called to tell me about.
My XJ has a over built rear bumper with fuel cans and spare tire mounting. On it that worked for off-roading by moving the COG back balancing vehicle weight along with tools and spare parts strapped down. BTW; It came with reinforced brackets for the sudo frame. Except for mud, then a different situation.

 

[MSFTMatt]

I’m super curious, and confused, as to the cons of the swing-outs. I’m in no way disagreeing with anyone but I had a swing out on my 2015 f150 and loved it, no issues whatsoever. And line another member mentioned, you see Tacos rubbing them. What is it about our trucks that make these maybe not a great idea? Thus is my first Jeep so still learning and trying to be educated.

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