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So, I am sold on the Cooltech bracket and drilling it out for the xxxxx FUD NMO mount recomended. The only decision left is the antenna. Larson has both a 1/2 wave no ground plane and a 5/8 wave no ground plane. Trying to understand the differences between them. The Diamond I have been using for 2M/440 is 1/2 wave and worked great. If 5/8 wave is better, why do they even make 1/2 wave antennas? They are both approx. the same height.
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So, I am sold on the Cooltech bracket and drilling it out for the xxxxx FUD NMO mount recomended. The only decision left is the antenna. Larson has both a 1/2 wave no ground plane and a 5/8 wave no ground plane. Trying to understand the differences between them. The Diamond I have been using for 2M/440 is 1/2 wave and worked great. If 5/8 wave is better, why do they even make 1/2 wave antennas? They are both approx. the same height.
In theory a 5/8 wave will put a little more signal at the horizon over a 1/2 wave, but when mounting with questionable ground plane all bets are off.
 

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Does this mount attach with only the 2 visible screws or is there some other metal to metal contact to extend the ground plane? I believe the cowl piece it mounts on is plastic and the two long screws would not transfer the ground plane of the bracket very much leaving the antenna mostly floating in mid air with just the bracket as the ground plane.

Its probably not a big problem at UHF or GMRS but for VHF or especially CB I don't think this mount is a good idea. Many companies that make this stuff are just metal fabricators who have very little antenna knowledge.
 

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In theory a 5/8 wave will put a little more signal at the horizon over a 1/2 wave, but when mounting with questionable ground plane all bets are off.
I'd usually carry a 1/4 wave for the steep terrain and 5/8 for the flatter desert.

Used to analyze the APRS data after I returned from a trip for fun to see how different antennas worked. I have more important things to do these days!
 

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Does this mount attach with only the 2 visible screws or is there some other metal to metal contact to extend the ground plane? I believe the cowl piece it mounts on is plastic and the two long screws would not transfer the ground plane of the bracket very much leaving the antenna mostly floating in mid air with just the bracket as the ground plane.

Its probably not a big problem at UHF or GMRS but for VHF or especially CB I don't think this mount is a good idea. Many companies that make this stuff are just metal fabricators who have very little antenna knowledge.
Only the two visible screws. Antenna works great VHF/UHF. Not grounded at mount.
 

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I was wondering if anyone has tried the Cooltech ham/GRMS antenna mount for the cowl? Rugged Ridge has a similar one that gets bad reviews. Complaints of bending probably due to its thin aluminum construction. The Cooltech version is stainless steel so should be a little tougher. Would be using a NGP ( no ground plane)

















































































































I was wondering if anyone has tried the Cooltech antenna mount that gets bolted to the cowl? Should be a little tougher than the similar Rugged Ridge mount (ss vs aluminum) Would be used for both ham and GRMS NGP (no ground plane) antennas.
You won't have any problems with the CoolTech.... it is very sturdy, you're not going to bend it.... and it functions flawlessly. Don't be scared.... !
 

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So, I am sold on the Cooltech bracket and drilling it out for the xxxxx FUD NMO mount recomended. The only decision left is the antenna. Larson has both a 1/2 wave no ground plane and a 5/8 wave no ground plane. Trying to understand the differences between them. The Diamond I have been using for 2M/440 is 1/2 wave and worked great. If 5/8 wave is better, why do they even make 1/2 wave antennas? They are both approx. the same height.
I do not know.... but, I am using the Laird Technologies - B4505CNS - 450-470 Antenna w/Spring, No Ground Plane, NMO mount, with a Midland MXT575 (50 watt) GMRS, the CoolTech cowl mount, and I trimmed the coax to the proper length ---- and I am very happy with the performace.
 

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I went with a simple bumper mount. Took a bolt out and stuck the antenna in. I use two antennas: short for daily/close use or weather radio and long for off-road or when I need distance.
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With some or all of an antenna near vertical surfaces of metal, RF can tend to bounce right back at the antenna, causing impedance mismatch as well as indicate a high Standing Wave Ratio. For this reason, I am not fond of the cowl, fender-hood and even rear spare tire mounts for antennas. That said, they do work. Just not optimal locations that result in reduced range.

Of course, Wranglers and Gladiators don't have a metal roof where we can ideally mount an antenna dead center, to achieve an optimal omni-directional signal for reception and transmission. Even if we did have a metal roof or a roof rack ground strap-bonded to the JEEP's body, then our taller vehicle height lends itself to antenna damage with garage door openings and tree branches that the UPS truck hasn't taken care of yet. Even knowing the pros and cons of cowl & fender mounts or a mount between the rear door/window and spare wheel metal, most of us accept the compromise of these locations versus something that will work better but at some cost to custom make. Like say, a "Slot" antenna that pancakes t about 5 inches above a roof, including non-metal roofs but are a bit involved to design, make and particularly, optimize.

I did make my own cowl mounts a number of years ago to fit my JK Jeep. The primary mount is simply off the shelf, after market Mirror brackets. With the factory JK mirrors still inserted in the original door mounts, these extra mounts that bolt on the cowl bolts, allowed me to make step washer inserts out of aluminum for mouhnting and electrical conductivity with a 6 inch SO-239 feed thru. A little bit of hardware allows me to install an NMO mount antenna or an SO-239 based antenna.

The end result is aesthetically pleasing, super strong and works -- but even with the roughly 6 inches of outward extended location of the antenna vs windshield pillar, cowl and hood, it still has invisible RF signal bounce from these vertical surfaces. Which means the antennna performance is still compromised in this location. Just a bit less than the body attached, closer mounts being marketed today.

If my rugged mount achieved a better receive and especially transmitted signal over the close-in mounts, I would have looked into whether this met the requirements to process a Patent Application. Fun fact, since the antenna is closer to the metal parts of the door mirror, you can see the Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) vary slightly by swinging the door open, thus mirror metal/metalized parts affect the SWR. Since this mount is no more ideal than the close to hood or cowl sheet metal mounts offered commercially, I chose not to consider if my design could be Patented. However, if you would like to do this for your own JK to have heavy duty antenna mounts, then take a look at the attached pictures. 6 inch SO-239 feed thru, nuts, spacers, and SO-239 to NMO adapters to aseemble on the Step Spacer can be found through some Amateur Radio Suppliers.

Gene / K7TXO

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Sarge, I suppose there is a fine line between "scared" and trying to "do it right the first time" LOL. Cooltech bracket gets a lot of support here and that's good enough for me.

hjdca, That's one of the antennas I am interested in. It's 1/2 wave, no ground plane. Same as my 2M/440 antenna that performed well. Not much info out there on 5/8 over 5/8 no ground plane, so maybe I'll stick with the 1/2 wave.

storyg, That's one of the best looking mounts I've seen!
 

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Appreciate all the input so far especially beathan and hjdca. So far, the Cooltech mount is looking like my best option. My goal was to find a mount that :



1. Positions the antenna out of my line of sight when driving as much as possible.



2. Securely mounts a 31-33" no ground plane antenna without bending.



3. No or minimal impact to any painted surfaces.



So it sounds like I would have to make the hole larger for a quality NMO mount such as Laird or Larsen. Any experience with that? I see on the Cooltech site you can buy these with a Midland mount/cable but it doesn't even say what size coax. Not exactly confidence inspiring. Last question, why has no one painted theirs LOL?
I have the Cooltech mount and decided on it to see how it will fair. I did a lot of research before I purchased it, I am just not sure which of my radios I am going to connect to it.
 

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With some or all of an antenna near vertical surfaces of metal, RF can tend to bounce right back at the antenna, causing impedance mismatch as well as indicate a high Standing Wave Ratio. For this reason, I am not fond of the cowl, fender-hood and even rear spare tire mounts for antennas. That said, they do work. Just not optimal locations that result in reduced range.

Of course, Wranglers and Gladiators don't have a metal roof where we can ideally mount an antenna dead center, to achieve an optimal omni-directional signal for reception and transmission. Even if we did have a metal roof or a roof rack ground strap-bonded to the JEEP's body, then our taller vehicle height lends itself to antenna damage with garage door openings and tree branches that the UPS truck hasn't taken care of yet. Even knowing the pros and cons of cowl & fender mounts or a mount between the rear door/window and spare wheel metal, most of us accept the compromise of these locations versus something that will work better but at some cost to custom make. Like say, a "Slot" antenna that pancakes t about 5 inches above a roof, including non-metal roofs but are a bit involved to design, make and particularly, optimize.

I did make my own cowl mounts a number of years ago to fit my JK Jeep. The primary mount is simply off the shelf, after market Mirror brackets. With the factory JK mirrors still inserted in the original door mounts, these extra mounts that bolt on the cowl bolts, allowed me to make step washer inserts out of aluminum for mouhnting and electrical conductivity with a 6 inch SO-239 feed thru. A little bit of hardware allows me to install an NMO mount antenna or an SO-239 based antenna.

The end result is aesthetically pleasing, super strong and works -- but even with the roughly 6 inches of outward extended location of the antenna vs windshield pillar, cowl and hood, it still has invisible RF signal bounce from these vertical surfaces. Which means the antennna performance is still compromised in this location. Just a bit less than the body attached, closer mounts being marketed today.

If my rugged mount achieved a better receive and especially transmitted signal over the close-in mounts, I would have looked into whether this met the requirements to process a Patent Application. Fun fact, since the antenna is closer to the metal parts of the door mirror, you can see the Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) vary slightly by swinging the door open, thus mirror metal/metalized parts affect the SWR. Since this mount is no more ideal than the close to hood or cowl sheet metal mounts offered commercially, I chose not to consider if my design could be Patented. However, if you would like to do this for your own JK to have heavy duty antenna mounts, then take a look at the attached pictures. 6 inch SO-239 feed thru, nuts, spacers, and SO-239 to NMO adapters to aseemble on the Step Spacer can be found through some Amateur Radio Suppliers.

Gene / K7TXO

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The antenna shown looks like a Larsen NMO 2/70B, same thing I run in post #26 in this thread. According to factory specs this antenna requires a ground plane which would not be sufficiently supplied on this particular mount. However my hood mounted trunk lip mount with the underside of the plastic cowl pieces covered with conductive aluminum tape provides an adequate ground plane even at CB frequencies.
 

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Sarge, I suppose there is a fine line between "scared" and trying to "do it right the first time" LOL. Cooltech bracket gets a lot of support here and that's good enough for me.

hjdca, That's one of the antennas I am interested in. It's 1/2 wave, no ground plane. Same as my 2M/440 antenna that performed well. Not much info out there on 5/8 over 5/8 no ground plane, so maybe I'll stick with the 1/2 wave.

storyg, That's one of the best looking mounts I've seen!
Not sure about others, but, I can tell you that I found the Laird Technologies - B4505CNS much better reception and transmission than the Midland MXTA26 with the Cool Tech cowl mount, and the spring it has -- is basically required for 4wheeling.
 
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hjdca,
Not sure if your still following this thread but I was hoping you could measure the OVERALL length of your Laird antenna. It seems I overlooked the fact that Laird only specifies the whip length and not the overall length of their antennas. You would think that the overall length would be more important for customers trying to fit an antenna equipped vehicle in their garage or a parking deck. I figured I'll have about 36-37" of clearance using the Cooltech mount. Thanks!
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