Entire Jeep lineup electrified by end of 2025

[bleda2002]

I've owned an electric car for eight years. They are low maintenance and nice to drive. The limited range has always been an issue. The only things I've had to replace are tires, wiper blades, and the 12v battery. The big battery was replaced near the end of the warranty about five years ago. Most people that have had an electric car will be happy to tell you how great they are.

The problem with electric cars is the high environmental cost to produce them, and the lack of infrastructure to support them. If you don't have private space you control, to put in a charging station, the car becomes difficult to own and use. The current grid setup will not support everyone plugging in at night to charge.

Electric has always been treated as a niche market, with limited support except where government mandated. Tesla spent the money to build infrastructure and make electric a main stream option. For most people, though, the cost to obtain a Tesla is just too high.

Fully agree on pure BEVs. That's where phevs and fuel cells are the other 2 technologies that will carry where bev doesn't work. I don't see all of us driving pure BEVs, they're great at what they're great at, but they have limitations. Phevs and fuel cells though carry most of the advantages of a BEV but with out a lot of limitations (well hydrogen infrastructure still sucks but that could be built out fairly easily like building more gas stations). I'm not interested in a BEV, but PHEV would suit my needs just fine as to me I see it as a power adder first.

Also Tesla reported their new battery plant is bringing costs so far down a 25k stripper ev is now realistic and the model 3 is trending similar to average car values. As more manufacturers get in on this and battery costs continue to come down the tipping point for PHEV/bev/fuel cell is coming closer and closer imo. Once they can swap the 15 year old batteries for sub 10k it will be really hard to argue against them for 90% of people's needs.

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[Terry]

I'm interested in the factory air compressor on the 392. I wonder if it can be retrofitted to Gladiators. If they plan on electrifying the Gladiator I wonder where they will choose to put the battery. Cabin storage is already tight so putting it under the backseat like the wrangler would suck.

Better yet, where will they put the bodies of the enslaved children who have died or who will die toiling under unimaginable conditions to mine cobalt in the Congo directly benefiting CCP Companies. I'll stick to my gasser Rubicon.

 

[coalcracker]

I always wonder if they just called it an electric power adder or ultra charger or something and deleted the ev button would people instead think it's the best thing since sliced bread since it turns the 2.0 into a V8 with diesel city mpgs.

No, it’s not the branding.

A lot of people resent government mandates happening in some states that basically eliminate all choices other than EVs by 2035. I don’t have a problem with emerging technology, but I’d rather make the decision to adopt that technology on my own based on its merits and fit for my use vs being told that I MUST buy it if I want a new vehicle after 2035.

 

[bleda2002]

No, it’s not the branding.

A lot of people resent government mandates happening in some states that basically eliminate all choices other than EVs by 2035. I don’t have a problem with emerging technology, but I’d rather make the decision to adopt that technology on my own based on its merits and fit for my use vs being told that I MUST buy it if I want a new vehicle after 2035.

So it really is the branding in that in meets a mandate 12 years from now. If it didn't meet the mandate then it would be judged on its merits which based on the 4xe uptake rate and satisfaction is pretty damn good.

 

[coalcracker]

So it really is the branding in that in meets a mandate 12 years from now. If it didn't meet the mandate then it would be judged on its merits which based on the 4xe uptake rate and satisfaction is pretty damn good.

Yeah, there are some people who like the 4xe because of the technology. Not to mention that government will give you a tax rebate if you buy one, since they “approve” of it.

Either way, not saying I’m right or wrong. But to me, calling the electric components by fancier or more exciting names (i.e. “rebranding”) wouldn‘t make me more or less receptive to adopting that technology. But I’m less likely to be interested in something that is being forced on me, for no good reason. Let me make the decision for myself, you know?

Not trying to be super political, but I think the mandates have been responsible for some of the resistance you see.

 

[TigerInFL]

right now they can say anything they want. betting it won't be exactly like they say when that year rolls around.

won't work for me in its current state because I enjoy taking long trips. no fun sitting at a charger for hours.

 

[Aceman8772]

Paper vs plastic. We were told if you wanted a paper bag you were bad cause you were killing trees. Go plastic! Big petro made a lot of money creating all kinds of one time use plastics. Now, you pay .08 cents a plastic bag cause the impact on the earth. It is a way to discourage using plastic. All of a sudden we are using paper straws as they are biodegradable and recycled.

So, here we are again. ICE versus EV. The dirty truth is the raw resources required are devastating to the planet and people to get. Perhaps even worse than drilling. You will not be able to build the EV without petro (plastic, paint ect.) anyways so forget about the day where there is no drilling for oil at least in the near future.

The factor in the demand for the electricity to charge. Do people really believe there will be green energy to support the demand that doesn't come without an bigger environmental cost? Wind farms and solar fields are not exactly environmentally friendly.

Finally, disposal of millions of car batteries? That is an environmental disaster that will happen just like the floating island of plastic in the Pacific ocean or the microplastics in our food now.

So, yeah, in summary bring on the EV and feel good about your virtue signaling at the stop light while the Tesla next to you goes up in flames.

A lot of good info on this forum but hyping the EV is not a positive thing I see in the forum. Go ahead and blast me away now for being contrarian.

 

[Lunentucker]

I had a big thing typed out with charts and graphs.
Then I realized that it's not go to change anyone's mind from either side.

 

[Uparms]

I question why such a limited run of the 20th Anniversary Rubicon. While the big spending elite may scarf these 4000 units up, I think they may have missed an opportunity to release a larger volume in 2 door (origin) style. Bigger cash could have been had for Stellantis and more fun for us?

I tool will hold my 2019 build forever (at least 15-20 years) if they don't offer the new turbo6 soon.

 

[Lush]

My gut tells me it'll be a gladiator 4xe, perhaps alongside a mid cycle refresh for the JL and JT, they are getting to be about due for one. Expect to probably see infotainment updates (like the new uconnect), maybe some interior changes, fully digital gauge cluster option, and maybe some unique new top options (like that gladiator bed cover top they patented perhaps)

Diesel will probably leave the gladiator by then if it hasn't already, 3.6 will probably stick around, and they will add some form of 4xe. I doubt it will be based on the current gen inline 4 but probably something else. Wrangler will probably get its full EV introduction by then as well I imagine.

Gladiator sales have been relatively strong overall from what I can tell. It did dip down in '22 over '21, but the Wrangler actually dipped by roughly the same percentage as well. I do notice large amounts of gladiators sitting on some lots, though right now I think car sales are cooling off across the board (except certain sought after models) thanks to the economic factors and absurdly high interest rates.

 

[bleda2002]

My gut tells me it'll be a gladiator 4xe, perhaps alongside a mid cycle refresh for the JL and JT, they are getting to be about due for one. Expect to probably see infotainment updates (like the new uconnect), maybe some interior changes, fully digital gauge cluster option, and maybe some unique new top options (like that gladiator bed cover top they patented perhaps)

Diesel will probably leave the gladiator by then if it hasn't already, 3.6 will probably stick around, and they will add some form of 4xe. I doubt it will be based on the current gen inline 4 but probably something else. Wrangler will probably get its full EV introduction by then as well I imagine.

Gladiator sales have been relatively strong overall from what I can tell. It did dip down in '22 over '21, but the Wrangler actually dipped by roughly the same percentage as well. I do notice large amounts of gladiators sitting on some lots, though right now I think car sales are cooling off across the board (except certain sought after models) thanks to the economic factors and absurdly high interest rates.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3.6 4xe honestly. The 4xe uses an electric motor on the transmission so it's very easy to adapt to any engine that uses the same tranny.

 

[Lush]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3.6 4xe honestly. The 4xe uses an electric motor on the transmission so it's very easy to adapt to any engine that uses the same tranny.

That was kinda where my thoughts are going as well, it makes more sense in the gladiator than the 4 cylinder so that stellantis can continue to market it on its towing capabilities, something I think would suffer with the current wrangler 4xe drivetrain.

 

[Jackpaul]

So it really is the branding in that in meets a mandate 12 years from now. If it didn't meet the mandate then it would be judged on its merits which based on the 4xe uptake rate and satisfaction is pretty damn good.

Don’t rely too heavily on the Satisfaction for the 4xe …. Remember us jeep owners are extremely biased, because we spent a lot on the Jeep and put a lot of money in it, we brag about the three weekends we off-roaded and don’t say shit about the nine months it was inoperable or in the shop

I look at the reality of this whole debate… EV for off-road is fun, but towing, hauling and all the other stuff that comes along with our needs just hasn’t been figured out.

Think about this for a second… we actually reduced the ability to sell lithium AAA batteries at one point because of the off chance, some crackhead would make meth with it. Now we are actually glorifying sourcing of components needed for lithium batteries at the expense of human lives at all cost….for what? A 0.0000000001% temp change in the next 500 years. Sorry not sorry

I’m going out right now starting all my cars and generators, just cause I can…jk I can’t afford it I gassed up last night ?

 

[legacy_etu]

I had a big thing typed out with charts and graphs.
Then I realized that it's not go to change anyone's mind from either side.

You still got it? I'd read it.

 

[Fishee]

Better yet, where will they put the bodies of the enslaved children who have died or who will die toiling under unimaginable conditions to mine cobalt in the Congo directly benefiting CCP Companies. I'll stick to my gasser Rubicon.

You act like your cell phone and other products you own dont use materials mined by enslaved children...

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