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FAD was removed in 2024, which is also the first year X models were available with 4-Auto. So there is no FAD and 4-Auto combination.

But yes, for those of us with a FAD when you engage 4HI a collar is moved that locks both axle halves together.
4A was available before the X models came out as an option pre 2023. Those models had a functioning FAD that engaged in 4A as well as 4H and 4L but was open in 2H.
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"With the FAD setup in our Jeeps, while driving in two wheel drive you have the left axle shaft and right outer axle shaft spinning at wheel speed going forward, the driveshaft and differential not spinning, and the right inner axle shaft spinning at wheel speed backwards via the action of the spider gears. This means that at all times when driving with the FAD disconnected the spider gears are spinning in the front differential, instead of only when going around a corner as is their intended design function. When you shift into 4HI on the fly while driving, the front driveshaft and differential have to suddenly spin up to match wheel speed, and the right inner axle shaft has to completely reverse direction and get up to wheel speed going forwards so the FAD can lock the two halves of the right axle shaft together. "

So it seems like the spider gears which are designed to not spin very quickly, just enough to allow the front 2 wheels to turn at slighlty different speeds when turning, are spinning at much higher speeds when the FAD is disconnected. I would think that oil drag in the diff would also cause to driveshaft to turn, albeit at a much slower speed than if everything were connected. I would prefer locking hubs over this design, we have to stop and air down when going wheeling, so locking the hubs would just be a few seconds more time when preparing for the trail. I think FAD is a similar design to the vacuum actuated disconnect Jeep used years ago, and from what I have read, that design was not very successful.
That design wasn't successful because the air actuators and lines failed regularly and were difficult to field repair not because the spider gears turning with no load? The current fad uses a much more reliable electric motor to accuate. The JLs have been running them since 2018 and failures are still rare. If you wheel like the youtubers always in 4wd the second you touch dirt then locking hubs would be fine. My JT probably has 1000x more dirt miles in 2wd than 4wd because you rarely need it in the desert, but when you do it's a simple pull of the lever. Then it goes back to 2H as it just handles better at speed that way.
 

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I like my FAD so I can run close to 8 degrees caster. But locking hubs are better.
 

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I like my FAD so I can run close to 8 degrees caster. But locking hubs are better.
I agree with the 1st part, I like shift on the fly especially in changing terrain. Sure you can lock in the hubs and still shift into 2wd, but we do a lot of freeway speed driving in the desert and I wouldn't want the extra wear. I like the FAD enough I'd add it to a new Jeep if I bought one that only came with the block off plate (392s, 4A, etc).
 

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FAD was removed in 2024, which is also the first year X models were available with 4-Auto. So there is no FAD and 4-Auto combination.

But yes, for those of us with a FAD when you engage 4HI a collar is moved that locks both axle halves together.
I have a 2022 Rubicon. 4 auto and FAD.
 

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When the hubs are open nothing spins in the front.
 

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When the hubs are open nothing spins in the front.
When the hubs are open. For my use I'm in and out of 4wd a dozen times out in the desert. Certainly not stopping and locking/ unlocking hubs that often and I don't want to put hundreds of miles on it with the hubs in in 2wd. Also the tire doesn't spin when you blow up a hub (which I've done a couple times). When the old air actuator would fail you could pop the 4 bolts off the cover and shift the thing manually. Wedge a stick in there and put the cover back and you're in business. I'd imagine the same could be done with the FAD.
 

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4A was available before the X models came out as an option pre 2023. Those models had a functioning FAD that engaged in 4A as well as 4H and 4L but was open in 2H.
I have a 2022 Rubicon. 4 auto and FAD.
Interesting.

Looks like it was first offered in 2021? At least in the US. It also looks like it was a fairly obscure option because most people didn't know about it. When shopping everything I found pointed to it wasn't available until 2024, and the diesel was no longer an option in 2024 so I had just stopped looking for it.
 

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Interesting.

Looks like it was first offered in 2021? At least in the US. It also looks like it was a fairly obscure option because most people didn't know about it. When shopping everything I found pointed to it wasn't available until 2024, and the diesel was no longer an option in 2024 so I had just stopped looking for it.
Personally I have 0 interest in putting wear items (clutches) inside the transfer case and have no problem shifting into 4wd when needed so I intentionally avoided the 4A models when shopping for both the wife's JLUR and my JT. If I lived somewhere where ice and snow where constant for months I could see the use, but even there I prefer 4wd to work when I want it to and don't mind shifting.
 

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Personally I have 0 interest in putting wear items (clutches) inside the transfer case and have no problem shifting into 4wd when needed so I intentionally avoided the 4A models when shopping for both the wife's JLUR and my JT. If I lived somewhere where ice and snow where constant for months I could see the use, but even there I prefer 4wd to work when I want it to and don't mind shifting.
When I bought mine, there wasn't much information on them. If I could turn back time, I'd go with a normal Rubicon 4:1. I have had no issues with mine. But, I try and keep the fluid changed in it, and I drive in 2wd 90% of the time. The 392 folks don't have that luxury.
 

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That 4A transfer case is a real potential issue. The 392 people use the taser to get the 2 WD use or just swap I an Atlas case,,, $$$$. I have a simple 4:1 rubicon TC and happy. I wish I had locking hubs . But not going to spend the $$$$ to get them ..
 

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That 4A transfer case is a real potential issue. The 392 people use the taser to get the 2 WD use or just swap I an Atlas case,,, $$$$. I have a simple 4:1 rubicon TC and happy. I wish I had locking hubs . But not going to spend the $$$$ to get them ..
The 392 rips the 4A transfer case out if put to the real test. That's one of the main reasons alot of them are going to an Atlas the clutches cant take the heat in the 4A.
 

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I have a 2024 Mojave X…..
Just crawled underneath to take a photo… If that’s not a FAD, then what’s in the box?

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This is what is behind that plate.

Jeep Gladiator FAD Missing FAD Lockout Plat
 

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Caster angle is directly related to the pinion angle of your front driveshaft, the more caster you run, the more severe the pinion angle will be, a severe pinion angle can cause vibrations.


Aftermarket front driveshafts (such as a double cardan shaft) help with lifted non-FAD Jeeps to reduce vibrations when running higher caster, but there still needs to be a balance with the caster angle and pinion angle to ensure you don't get vibrations.
Adding caster decreases pinion angle, so I wouldn't say high caster results in a severe pinion angle with our axles. It actually results in low pinion angle.
As to the 2nd part of the statement, it's the opposite. The double cardan shaft needs the pinion pointed at the transfer case output to run smooth at high rpms/speed. This cannot be accomplished in a lifted Jeep if you want even decent caster. The rzeppa joints in the stock shaft are much more forgiving on the angles, but don't have the range of travel if you run long shocks with your lift. Without a FAD you're better off with the stock shaft and limiting droop to save the joints. The low separation angle between the pinion and the knuckles is the real problem.
 

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This is what is behind that plate.

FAD Lockout Plate.webp
THanks!! Interesting.... So, obviously the shaft is splined and runs thru that - and acts as a 'support'?? I can imagine those forks wearing away rather quickly.
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