Front row third "jump seat" in a JT?

[Dan Grec]

That was my initial reaction. Looking at the camper it looks like a car seat could be safely mounted to the floor behind the console. Child still reachable from the front seats and it would barely be in the way moving around in the camper. Remove it and set it in the front seat when camping and it's out of the way. No need to mess with the console or crowd the passenger compartmentat all.

That is exactly where the child seat was mounted for our adventure through 12 countries on three continents.

Now I'm looking to do something new, exploring options.

-Dan

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[kb5zcr]

Mini trucks in days of yore used to have a bench seat in them. During high school a buddy of ours had a Chevy Love and three of us high school boys would sometimes have to ride three across in that thing. I have no idea what the width of those cabs were VS our modern jeeps.
And of course as a kid, we always had to ride in the bed of our family truck.
And no one used child seats back then once a kid was toddler age.

 

[agoldxj]

If you care about your kids’ safety, you won’t do this. It’s genuinely negligent. If no one else will say it I will. You’re bad parents if you put a car seat in that location in a Jeep gladiator or wrangler. I don’t care what direction it’s facing. One accident and they’re gone. And for what? Your convenience? Crazy.

Yup, it’s time to grow up and make the right decision here. Sure you have an expensive conversion but nothing you do will be safe or will replace your child if something happens. No vehicle is worth that. The fact that this is even a thought as a parent is crazy to me.

 

[Freems]

Ok Dan, while your waxing through this ridiculous concept with the members, let me give you some aged wisdom…This is a human not a fucking caned ham your hauling around!

Anything you modify Has to be safe in the event of a major accident for humans. The attachment points you cut out of the back seats and rear cab wall are specific engineered to hold a child’s seat, not bolting down a plastic shell to the floor with bolts. That’s not how Any child seat is designed.

Your setup has run the trail of a two humans carry design. Nothing you design and install in this rig will support a third person, (especially a child).

Stop by your insurance agents office and show it to then. BTW, they will cancel you on the spot.

If you an the companion add a child to this adventure, it’s time to act and think like parents…sell this rig, a buy something that fits the new family…let this shit go.

 

[smlobx]

OK guys I think Dan has gotten the message how everyone feels. I think he was just thinking outside the box and was wondering if anyone had come up with a viable solution he had not thought of.

Im sure he puts his family safety above all else.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Ok Dan, while your waxing through this ridiculous concept with the members, let me give you some aged wisdom…This is a human not a fucking caned ham your hauling around!

Anything you modify Has to be safe in the event of a major accident for humans. The attachment points you cut out of the back seats and rear cab wall are specific engineered to hold a child’s seat, not bolting down a plastic shell to the floor with bolts. That’s not how Any child seat is designed.

Your setup has run the trail of a two humans carry design. Nothing you design and install in this rig will support a third person, (especially a child).

Stop by your insurance agents office and show it to then. BTW, they will cancel you on the spot.

If you an the companion add a child to this adventure, it’s time to act and think like parents…sell this rig, a buy something that fits the new family…let this shit go.

Have you ever seen a pink Jeep tour Jeep? That isn't engineered by anybody other than Billy Bob with a welder. One can easily add seating with proper seat belts to just about any rig. There needs to be some thought in the design, rated bolts either to the frame or at least through the body with sandwich plates. I've seen seats mounted rear facing behind the cab in pickup beds that are better mounted than the factory seats. Seat belts and all, 100% legal. You could literally install the factory car seat anchors anywhere if you did it right. Right behind the console on the flat floor it would be easily done and the OP already did so across multiple countries. The idea that seats need to be OEM and couldn't possibly be relocated and even better mounted is just false. What do you do when the floor and mounts are rotted out in the vehicle you're restoring? Build your own with some common sense and you'll be fine. Pink Jeep tours even had build photos of their "engineering".
https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/...kssZLXCLshQ9r8QTw1DS-7ReMZFDPS_MaAhI_EALw_wcB

 

[WILDHOBO]

Ok Dan, while your waxing through this ridiculous concept with the members, let me give you some aged wisdom…This is a human not a fucking caned ham your hauling around!

Anything you modify Has to be safe in the event of a major accident for humans. The attachment points you cut out of the back seats and rear cab wall are specific engineered to hold a child’s seat, not bolting down a plastic shell to the floor with bolts. That’s not how Any child seat is designed.

Your setup has run the trail of a two humans carry design. Nothing you design and install in this rig will support a third person, (especially a child).

Stop by your insurance agents office and show it to then. BTW, they will cancel you on the spot.

If you an the companion add a child to this adventure, it’s time to act and think like parents…sell this rig, a buy something that fits the new family…let this shit go.

Again and again. YES!

Or just put the back seat back and put them where it’s safe. But come on.

 

[WILDHOBO]

OK guys I think Dan has gotten the message how everyone feels. I think he was just thinking outside the box and was wondering if anyone had come up with a viable solution he had not thought of.

Im sure he puts his family safety above all else.

Yet he debated the overlap of the airbags with me. That fact that this was even considered at that level is bonkers.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Have you ever seen a pink Jeep tour Jeep? That isn't engineered by anybody other than Billy Bob with a welder. One can easily add seating with proper seat belts to just about any rig. There needs to be some thought in the design, rated bolts either to the frame or at least through the body with sandwich plates. I've seen seats mounted rear facing behind the cab in pickup beds that are better mounted than the factory seats. Seat belts and all, 100% legal. You could literally install the factory car seat anchors anywhere if you did it right. Right behind the console on the flat floor it would be easily done and the OP already did so across multiple countries. The idea that seats need to be OEM and couldn't possibly be relocated and even better mounted is just false. What do you do when the floor and mounts are rotted out in the vehicle you're restoring? Build your own with some common sense and you'll be fine. Pink Jeep tours even had build photos of their "engineering".
https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/...kssZLXCLshQ9r8QTw1DS-7ReMZFDPS_MaAhI_EALw_wcB

Big difference between a tour vehicle at slow speeds without air bags, and putting an infant in the path of two front air bags.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Big difference between a tour vehicle at slow speeds without air bags, and putting an infant in the path of two front air bags.

Which is why I've stated multiple times that the seat should be mounted behind the center console well clear of the airbags. The pink jeeps run on the highways around moab, Sedona, and Las Vegas as I've seen them multiple times. Further I'd argue rolling a Jeep off a cliff is every bit as dangerous as anything you'd encounter on the freeway. It's not that hard to mount a seat and seat belts in anything.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Which is why I've stated multiple times that the seat should be mounted behind the center console well clear of the airbags. The pink jeeps run on the highways around moab, Sedona, and Las Vegas as I've seen them multiple times. Further I'd argue rolling a Jeep off a cliff is every bit as dangerous as anything you'd encounter on the freeway. It's not that hard to mount a seat and seat belts in anything.

I’ve seen them many times as well. They’re at the Grand Canyon as well as all those areas. I’ve never seen them in an area where going off a cliff is a thing. I could be wrong, but it would shock me if they even allow car seats.

 

[kb5zcr]

My dad's big class A RV is designed to carry pax other than in the front two seats, and they have seat belts built into the couch. He won't hear me calling him a bad parent.

Heck, like I mentioned before, we used to ride in the back of our parents truck going down the highway all the time, and we didn't wear helmets when on our bikes either.
He can always put the kid in the front pax seat and the other adult can ride in a lawn chair at the front of the pass through to make all the internet safety guards happy .

 

[WILDHOBO]

My dad's big class A RV is designed to carry pax other than in the front two seats, and they have seat belts built into the couch. He won't hear me calling him a bad parent.

Heck, like I mentioned before, we used to ride in the back of our parents truck going down the highway all the time, and we didn't wear helmets when on our bikes either.
He can always put the kid in the front pax seat and the other adult can ride in a lawn chair at the front of the pass through to make all the internet safety guards happy .

Nothing wrong with the rear of an RV with appropriate securing of the car seat. It’s the front seat with air bags that’s the issue. And “internet safety guards”? The op asked. We answered.

 

[Cburd61]

Why not just hang a cargo net from the roll bar, over the console. They can hang there hammock style……,

 

[Blade1668]

I agree there are safety concerns, which is why I'm investigating and trying to learn what is possible.

As for children being required to sit in the back, that is only true if there is a back.
In vehicles that don't have a backseat that does not apply.

I'll also be in countries that have no such law.

-Dan

Dan my reply is O.T. but it sounds like congratulations to you and MS.

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