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[OngsterA]

https://tfltruck.com/2022/07/sales-...d-ranger-continue-to-see-big-sales-decreases/

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[ShadowsPapa]

And that's a good thing? Interesting logic.

 

[Gren71]

Reading the comments was actually better than the article haha

One commenter made a good point, though i have no idea how valid it is. They said that other brands were sacrificing options due to the chip problem and supply chain shortages, where jeep and ford(i think) are not.

Certainly an interesting perspective. Personally im wondering if they’re not just letting other brands blow their wad early while stellantis (or whoever owns jeep now) works on a redesign.

 

[GHWillys]

I would say the Gladiator numbers are pretty impressive considering a base price of $37K compared to $25 to $28K for the Colorado, Tacoma and Frontier.

I am also assuming a large portion of the sales for those vehicles are fleet vehicles with almost zero options. Almost every company small truck that I see in my area is either a Tacoma or GM. These companies certainly wouldn't need a convertible top for their work vehicles.

 

[Akgladiator]

https://tfltruck.com/2022/07/sales-...d-ranger-continue-to-see-big-sales-decreases/

Debut of new ranger and Colorado/ canyon is around corner.

Not surprised ranger buyers will wait it out.

Gladiator is overpriced as a midsize truck category. Most people didn't even know it's a convertible truck!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Reading the comments was actually better than the article haha

One commenter made a good point, though i have no idea how valid it is. They said that other brands were sacrificing options due to the chip problem and supply chain shortages, where jeep and ford(i think) are not.

Certainly an interesting perspective. Personally im wondering if they’re not just letting other brands blow their wad early while stellantis (or whoever owns jeep now) works on a redesign.

People ordering the Gladiator are just waiting for months to get one....... delays due to lack of parts.
That will likely have an impact on the number differences.
GM is indeed shipping trucks that are lacking certain things and refunding customers enough money to buy them a steak dinner. (75 bucks is what I heard for one missing feature)

 

[India-ThreeZeroThree]

Ahh, the old curse of the Jeep truck... like thing. I will say the Gladiator using old tech and old design is probably the easiest vehicle to produce. If they kill the JT (which I'm certain we are at the peak for JT) hang on to them boys and baby them. 5 years after the last one made they become an instant classic. Just like it happened to the CJ8. Specially diesels. We will never see a diesel in a vehicle this size again. And no, I didn't get a diesel. I think the Ranger will come back even harder We are just at a transition point with this crap economy. The Ranger is cheap and made all over the world with better fuel economy and they have 3 cab versions.

Next gen of wrangler may leave off the Gladiator. And it will not be the Jeep we are used to seeing anymore.

 

[OngsterA]

How much is true of Gladiator buyers being mostly prev Jeep owners anyway? Any stats or demographics? How much cross-shopping happens from other truck brands?

 

[f33d]

Ahh, the old curse of the Jeep truck... like thing. I will say the Gladiator using old tech and old design is probably the easiest vehicle to produce. If they kill the JT (which I'm certain we are at the peak for JT) hang on to them boys and baby them. 5 years after the last one made they become an instant classic. Just like it happened to the CJ8. Specially diesels. We will never see a diesel in a vehicle this size again. And no, I didn't get a diesel. I think the Ranger will come back even harder We are just at a transition point with this crap economy. The Ranger is cheap and made all over the world with better fuel economy and they have 3 cab versions.

Next gen of wrangler may leave off the Gladiator. And it will not be the Jeep we are used to seeing anymore.

Truth it will eventually be cut. Question is when? I feel it will be more cult like similar to the yota FJ

 

[Gvsukids]

Jeep did cut some things. I know I didn’t get the air up feature where the horn honks at the desired pressure.

Tazer has that feature.

 

[Hootbro]

Few factors converging here. First of all is actual on dealer lot supply to buy inventories are way down with many that are on the lots are dealer orders with supply constraint missing options not making them appealing.

Secondly, gas prices and looming recession indicators making many shift away from this segment.

 

[Rahkmalla]

As for Ranger sales plummeting, a brand new model is on the horizon. And in current times it is not uncommon for the cheaper models to get sidelined while the more expensive ones get built. If you think Ford is willing to put it's "Best selling truck in America for 40whatever years" boast for F150s at risk to sell more Rangers, I don't know what to tell you.

Gladiators aren't selling to the normal small truck people. 40-70k for a small truck? Nuh-uh. Gladiators are selling to an expansion of the Wrangler demographic. A Ranger 501a Tremor with as many options are you can throw at it is still cheaper than my manual transmission cloth seat minimally optioned Mojave.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Gladiator is overpriced as a midsize truck category. Most people didn't even know it's a convertible truck!

When you actually compare equipment for equipment, the other mid sized trucks are only around a $3-5k difference in price. their base models are not 4x4, and are standard or extended cabs, not the crew cab of the gladiator. Then factor in the convertible top and removeable doors...

 

[MattHamilton]

Reading the comments was actually better than the article haha

One commenter made a good point, though i have no idea how valid it is. They said that other brands were sacrificing options due to the chip problem and supply chain shortages, where jeep and ford(i think) are not.

Certainly an interesting perspective. Personally im wondering if they’re not just letting other brands blow their wad early while stellantis (or whoever owns jeep now) works on a redesign.

My sister-in-law order the Maverick Lariat edition in October - still hasn't seen it - apparently the Lariat has electronics Ford can't buy yet. She says she doesn't have a VIN, so I'm not sure if Ford has stopped making vehicles or trims, but it sounds like they aren't making what they can't make.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Jeep did cut some things. I know I didn’t get the air up feature where the horn honks at the desired pressure.

That's not lack of supplies or hardware............ not if Tazer or JSCAN can do it. It's programming.
Have you gone through the process in the radio setup of turning it on?

If it was a lack of semiconductors, there'd be other things lacking, but since it relies on the federally mandated TMPS - it's going to be hardware-capable................. unless it's an issue of the sensors in the wheels themselves. I can hardly see that, either, however. One thing I've wondered - were the sensors for RUBICON, just for example, somehow different or special?
TPMS reporting to the truck isn't a live thing and only happens when the sensors are awake, and then, only every few seconds. Even JSCAN says to not hurry because it takes time for the TPMS sensors to report updated info to the vehicle.

Anyway - that isn't a supply thing - it's tied to existing hardware in the TPMS system and that is a federal thing - they can't produce and sell trucks in the USA without TPMS.

When you actually compare equipment for equipment, the other mid sized trucks are only around a $3-5k difference in price. their base models are not 4x4, and are standard or extended cabs, not the crew cab of the gladiator. Then factor in the convertible top and removeable doors...

Agreed - in fact, over 2 years ago people here were complaining about price and how much cheaper any other truck would be and so on - and someone actually went to the competing sites and priced out trucks with like-for-like options, added 4x4 and so on, and the prices were pretty close, but then the others still lacked roof removal, the ability to flex like these, break-over and departure were not as good.

How much is true of Gladiator buyers being mostly prev Jeep owners anyway? Any stats or demographics? How much cross-shopping happens from other truck brands?

Don't count out people like me:
My brother has been a Jeep person for many years - since his very early 20s, with the CJs, then later the other models and now he's got a TJ, maybe more. I was always like "man, I want one of those". I built a puddle-jumper with a friend years ago - stripped a Ford car to the frame, shortened the wheel base drastically......... and I've worked on them many times as a mechanic. I have owned other Jeeps - Comanche, Cherokee, and more - never a "Wrangler". When I saw one of these I knew then I could downsize my truck (had usually had full-size but the Comanche told me I could do fine with a smaller truck) So here was not only my cake, but icing. Wrangler and truck, one spot taken in the garage - and taking less space than that huge Silverado.
I'd not have a Jeep if it wasn't for this. My wife is a "only Grand Cherokee" person so she helps keep Jeep alive, but we'd likely have one Jeep if it wasn't for the JT.

My sister-in-law order the Maverick Lariat edition in October - still hasn't seen it - apparently the Lariat has electronics Ford can't buy yet. She says she doesn't have a VIN, so I'm not sure if Ford has stopped making vehicles or trims, but it sounds like they aren't making what they can't make.

Toyota has a similar problem getting certain semiconductors and electronics, so has cut production of some models. It truly is a big deal out there.

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