How far is your JT making it up this hill?

[Lunentucker]

If you strap your ducks to your recovery boards and then tie them through the spokes in your rims you'll make it easy.
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It'll be bumpy.

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[cug]

No no brake peddle lots and lots of gas peddle ?

Their latest video shows pretty well that this isn’t the case. Power helps, but power used stupidly only helps in digging holes faster.

 

[Jefe1018]

LOL, today's video confirmed what I said about the Bronco and the track being smoothed out by vehicles before that attempt (plus the info that the Bronco ran eight PSI pressure).

It also confirmed what I said about the wrecker ruining it for the rest of the vehicles. It actually made it with finally really lowered tire pressure (5 PSI) and then mostly steadily chugging along (at least for the top part of the trail, would have likely worked for the bottom as well).

What I like about MORR is that they are always able to improvise. What I don't like about them is that they don't take care of their equipment very well. Long time ago I used to own a company that did tons of improvising, using gear not designed for the task at hand, modifying it, breaking it on site – but we ALWAYS put it back into good shape when we got back to our shop. That's what MORR just doesn't do well. I can't count how often I heard Matt say "oh yeah, we broke that xx days ago and haven't fixed it yet". While they might be busy, for me, taking care that the equipment I rely on, is in good condition, is part of the business. They are basically winging it too often and with neglected gear. One day somebody will pay for that. Hopefully not with any serious injury or so.

I think there’s a video out there where Matt says he agrees with you, you shouldn’t do it the way he does it. ??

Agreed though, I couldn’t imagine working with stuff that only really has trail repairs all over.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

2nd, with all that torque down low the diesel could launch and get up to speed faster than a gas JT

Pretty sure the 3.6 has a faster 0-60 than the EcoD. Then you've got all that extra weight to lug uphill.

Whatever the 3.6 lacks in torque, at least on the Rubicon it makes up for in gear reduction.

 

[cug]

I think there’s a video out there where Matt says he agrees with you, you shouldn’t do it the way he does it. ??

Agreed though, I couldn’t imagine working with stuff that only really has trail repairs all over.

Yeah, they mention that a few times in their videos – mostly he says the "don't do that, I do it here and now because I know what I'm doing and I know that in this very specific usecase it's okay to do".

 

[Jefe1018]

Yeah, they mention that a few times in their videos – mostly he says the "don't do that, I do it here and now because I know what I'm doing and I know that in this very specific usecase it's okay to do".

“If you don’t feel comfortable doing this, I agree YOU shouldn’t do it.” I love this channel.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Pretty sure the 3.6 has a faster 0-60 than the EcoD. Then you've got all that extra weight to lug uphill.

Whatever the 3.6 lacks in torque, at least on the Rubicon it makes up for in gear reduction.

Quick googling shows the 3.6 has a 8.7 sec 0-60 and 17.5 sec 1/4 mile vs the 3.0s 7.6sec 0-60 and 15.9 sec 1/4 mile.
Not really sure if that's similar models or not but anyways.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Quick googling shows the 3.6 has a 8.7 sec 0-60 and 17.5 sec 1/4 mile vs the 3.0s 7.6sec 0-60 and 15.9 sec 1/4 mile.
Not really sure if that's similar models or not but anyways.

I had heard otherwise somewhere. Didn't care enough to investigate which is why I qualified my remark with "pretty sure."

But the point still stands there's not much difference in startup times and the 3.0 carries extra weight which may or may not benefit in this scenario.

In my experience climbing sandy hills, putting the diesel in crawl mode is not a magic bullet. Having said that, I haven't tried it with aired down M/Ts so I guess that's now on the list.

I'm just about convinced the only practical thing the diesel does better is get better gas mileage and carry extra weight. IOW, if you put another 500lbs in it, that probably wouldn't change those 0-60 times by much if at all.

 

[RudeJeepin]

I had heard otherwise somewhere. Didn't care enough to investigate which is why I qualified my remark with "pretty sure."

But the point still stands there's not much difference in startup times and the 3.0 carries extra weight which may or may not benefit in this scenario.

In my experience climbing sandy hills, putting the diesel in crawl mode is not a magic bullet. Having said that, I haven't tried it with aired down M/Ts so I guess that's now on the list.

I'm just about convinced the only practical thing the diesel does better is get better gas mileage and carry extra weight. IOW, if you put another 500lbs in it, that probably wouldn't change those 0-60 times by much if at all.

I've only been in the sand once with my diesel and it did ok, but not great. I also didn't air down much.
But I've been in deep snow a few times, once it did better with the crawl control than trying to bash my way up the hill. But another time I did better one my own than the crawl control could do. So who knows.

One of the biggest reasons I went diesel, was for the extra range per fill up. The fact that it handles a given load better was the second reason.

My mom has a 3.6 Wrangler and it feels like a turd compared to my diesel Gladiator. By seat of the pants feel, I'd thought the numbers would show more of a gap. Oh well, I still Love our 2 diesels.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

I've only been in the sand once with my diesel and it did ok, but not great. I also didn't air down much.

Living in Florida and going off-road means sand and more sand and my experience in the diesel Rubicon has been fairly extensive albeit with A/T tires (until recently.)

But another time I did better one my own than the crawl control could do. So who knows.

Crawl mode in 4L with lockers locked has not worked on sandy inclines at all

but a running start has. I will as soon as the opportunity presents, test that theory with aired down M/Ts and report back.

My mom has a 3.6 Wrangler and it feels like a turd compared to my diesel Gladiator.

I rented a 3.6 JLUR on 35" KO2s for over a week last year in Arizona and did a good bit of off-roading and highway driving with it.
In my opinion the trans shift pattern does not give the 3.6's mid-range torque the respect it deserves, as in passing on the highway the transmission over-downshifts to where the motor is just out of breath. I learned to manually upshift during those times and found sufficient, and certainly more power (for what it is) than screaming the engine out which is what the tranny is programmed for. Go figure.

 

[BearDog]

!!!! If that damn Bronco can do it, so can I !!!!

In reality, I'd make it as far as the required winch line length from the Heavy Wrecker to pull me up

 

[Rusty PW]

That hill is a piece of cake. They make it look hard for viewer clicks.

 

[Stan H]

Their latest video shows pretty well that this isn’t the case. Power helps, but power used stupidly only helps in digging holes faster.

Speed lots and lots of speed !!!

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