I am leaving the forum today.

[Elff]

So this is the last Gladiator forum post you will ever make

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[Hootbro]

I will take the hits for this, but this is a nonsense thread subject when you never had skin in the game or were part of the club.

So basically you did a year of tire kicking.

 

[Free2roam]

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I will take the hits for this,

OK, you asked for it.....

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So this is the last Gladiator forum post you will ever make

No, but it's the last Gladiator he'll never buy

 

[KevinM60]

No, but it's the last Gladiator he'll ever NOT buy

Can we do a fix on this forum?

 

[Digster]

This is not an airline, you don’t have to announce your departure.

what he said.

 

[TheDerb]

True story:

My brother had a crazy neighbor. This neighbor would see my brother at the grocery store or out in his yard and occasionally say "Hi". This was the extent of their communication- a couple of dozen greetings, a few waves, over a year or so. She never even started a conversation with him beyond that.

Tuns out, this crazy neighbor of his was telling everybody that my brother had proposed to her, and that my brother was no good to her, so she said "No". That neighbor let everyone know that her engagement with my brother was not happening. And Damn it if she didn't give advice for the next one on how to manage a relationship with my brother if things ever got that far! She even told this to the bagger at the grocery store, who happened to be a family friend.

A few days later, my brother was checking out at the grocery store.

When that family friend of a bagger relayed to my brother that she had heard about his "conscientious uncoupling" with his neighbor, (relatively small town), my brother couldn't for the life of him figure out who the grocery bagger was talking about. Come to find out, my brother didn't even realize that this neighbor was his neighbor. He thought it was just a visitor and had honestly never even considered that she might be a part of his community.

When he told this to the cashier, the cashier just sort of nodded and smiled, and said "The amount of effort that she put into fabricating an entire narrative about why you weren't good for her, when she never actually had a chance to take you for a spin is just crazy to me. And the fact that she ALSO gave advice about how to interact with you to those who may come along in the future- well, I don't know if its plain old sad or just depressing"

 

[jav_eee]

I believe all vehicles have become more complex, not just Jeeps. I can understand your thinking. If your current vehicles serve you well hold onto them as long as you can.

I had a 2019 GMC AT4 for 8 months. In that time it had 5 random dead battery events, the first one happening with less than 500 miles on the odometer. After jump starting it (which took a while as the battery would be severely depleted) the radio screen would show the Cadillac logo instead of the GMC.

All the safety and computer systems in today's vehicles are making them wildly complex and, in my oipinion, causing more issues than the ones they solve.

 

[shawnebell]

You should know that years ago, I had a J-10 Gladiator. Except for the too skinny brake drums and shoes that when rain-wet, provided hair raising, stressful stopping events

While I have no issue with most everything you wrote, I do take umbrage with this particular statement, having had a beautiful factory example of a J10.

The correct statement for a wet stop in a J10 is "eventful slowing incident" (not to be confused with an emergency stop ... or "upper arm extension coupled with flinch" yoga stretch).

 

[DirkG]

No matter how many words we want to write or stories we want to tell, this is why people are not buying new Gladiators:

2020 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $36,745 MSRP.
2023 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $42,670 MSRP.

 

[sharpsicle]

No matter how many words we want to write or stories we want to tell, this is why people are not buying new Gladiators:

2020 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $36,745 MSRP.
2023 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $42,670 MSRP.

Probably more to do with this:

This decline in purchases is exactly what the interest rate hike is designed to do.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No matter how many words we want to write or stories we want to tell, this is why people are not buying new Gladiators:

2020 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $36,745 MSRP.
2023 Jeep Gladiator Sport S: Starting at $42,670 MSRP.

You're opinion which leaves out a lot of critical research - such as the differences in equipment that equal at least half that difference. A 2020 didn't come with much of anything and is why we went Overland. NOW, a 2023 Sport S isn't all that far behind an Overland although even those have changed in standard equipment.

People look only at the $$ and not a glance at the standard equipment listing comparisons.
You simply can't just grab starting MSRP and compare year after year and not also look at the equipment listings for each.
I bet if you figure the differences in equipment and then calculate the inflation between those 3 years, you get rather close to that number.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Probably more to do with this:

This decline in purchases is exactly what the interest rate hike is designed to do.

Yes, economics. Part of the problem was a real fast influx of cash into an already cash strong economy and that put pressure on manufacturing and supply and then supply and demand caught up, inflation took over and things were "adjusted".

 

[DirkG]

People look only at the $$ and not a glance at the standard equipment listing comparisons.

That's why sales are low. Outside of us enthusiasts, most people just want a Gladiator at a reasonable price.

I didn't want to do a dissertation on this, but interest rates are also a huge factor. But however we want to slice it, the CEO is gone and sales are low because Jeep expanded the price too high. A loaded Mojave is over $70K (before the recent discounts). That's ridiculous.

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