IFS coming in 2029?

[Sweetums]

Without slalom speeds or lap times for vehicles being compared, isn’t it just butt dyno type testing?

And without controlling for tire make, model, and size. There's a reason engineers control for all those variables.

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[Chasm]

It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a fast car slow.

That's certainly true. In my Challenger or Fairlane, I'm frustrated when I' forced to go slow. In the Gladiator it's just normal!

 

[Chasm]

You can out brake him and carry more speed through the turn. Then watch him pass you going down the next straight. Only to repeat on the next turn.

An old guy I used to work with showed me film of his racing days. Full custom 4cyl Dodge Colt. Stuck to the ground like glue. They made him run against the Vette's based on lap time. The walked away from him on the straights, but he didn't slow down in the corners.
I got to drive the car once before he sold it. Keeping your face off the side window when you turned was a struggle!

 

[Rusty PW]

That's certainly true. In my Challenger or Fairlane, I'm frustrated when I' forced to go slow. In the Gladiator it's just normal!

Drive a slow car with the gas pedal mashed to the floor, it sounds like you're doing a buck twenty but doing the speed limit. Or drive a fast car idling at the speed limit.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Drive a slow car with the gas pedal mashed to the floor, it sounds like you're doing a buck twenty but doing the speed limit. Or drive a fast car idling at the speed limit.

My problem is that I have to do about 2400 RPM before it moves very much.
If I just idle it, it won't move.

 

[Rusty PW]

An old guy I used to work with showed me film of his racing days. Full custom 4cyl Dodge Colt. Stuck to the ground like glue. They made him run against the Vette's based on lap time. The walked away from him on the straights, but he didn't slow down in the corners.
I got to drive the car once before he sold it. Keeping your face off the side window when you turned was a struggle!

My personal best was in a track prepped Viper ARC. I had trouble getting up to speed because I wasn't pushing hard enough to put heat into the tire. The car tried to kill me. Once I figured it out. I knocked 6 seconds off my best time. Came in and had to change my underwear.

 

[Chasm]

My personal best was in a track prepped Viper ARC. I had trouble getting up to speed because I wasn't pushing hard enough to put heat into the tire. The car tried to kill me. Once I figured it out. I knocked 6 seconds off my best time. Came in and had to change my underwear.

Vipers were one of those cars that regularly tried to kill its drivers. Made for some funny videos though: "Guy leaves shop in his modded Viper and wrecks it within 7 seconds"

 

[Rusty PW]

Vipers were one of those cars that regularly tried to kill its drivers. Made for some funny videos though: "Guy leaves shop in his modded Viper and wrecks it within 7 seconds"

Seen a guy at a track day with a brand new Viper ACR. Had 2,000 miles on it. This was his first track day ever. He made it one lap and missed turn 1 on the start of the second lap. I was behind him. Watched him go straight instead of making the left. He went through the grass and came back on track between turns 2 and 3. I got up behind him him again and followed until he turned into pitt lane. He covered my windshield with fluids. I could see through his back widow that his hood was buckled. I finished my session and came in. Went over to look at the car. Everything was damaged all the way back to the front wheels. The guy was crying as he had just bought the car. His wife didn't want him to buy it in the first place and warned him about it. This that at Pitt Race, the old course.

 

[Hootbro]

Seen a guy at a track day with a brand new Viper ACR. Had 2,000 miles on it. This was his first track day ever. He made it one lap and missed turn 1 on the start of the second lap. I was behind him. Watched him go straight instead of making the left. He went through the grass and came back on track between turns 2 and 3. I got up behind him him again and followed until he turned into pitt lane. He covered my windshield with fluids. I could see through his back widow that his hood was buckled. I finished my session and came in. Went over to look at the car. Everything was damaged all the way back to the front wheels. The guy was crying as he had just bought the car. His wife didn't want him to buy it in the first place and warned him about it. This that at Pitt Race, the old course.

Seen all to often. People spend their last dime buying an enthusiast car, plane, boat or something else and cannot afford the risk that comes with it.

 

[Oilburner]

 

[Sweetums]

My personal best was in a track prepped Viper ARC. I had trouble getting up to speed because I wasn't pushing hard enough to put heat into the tire. The car tried to kill me. Once I figured it out. I knocked 6 seconds off my best time. Came in and had to change my underwear.

Yup, that checks out

 

[Zachanadandy]

Difference between raptor vs rocks crawling.

Now we are adding a 3rd setup for wide track, long travel IFS? The RHO already exists. The beauty of the mojave is it's still narrow enough and has a solid axle for technical trails AND it has fantastic 2.5" internal bypass shocks and hydraulic bump stops which make it stable and planted at speeds in the desert even when all 4 tires leave the ground. A raptor or RHO/TRX are the only vehicles that will outperform the mojave at speed in rough terrain from the factory. A non-raptor Bronco can't keep up and I've verified that many times in the real world. Even a standard 4x4 f150 is nowhere near as good. The 20 miles of washboard dirt roads out to our property in the f150 were brutal. Felt like I had shaken baby syndrome and blurred vision from my eyeballs shaking in my head after every trip. Meanwhile even at double the speed the mojave is smooth and comfortable. Anybody who thinks a standard, short travel IFS is better at speeds on rough roads has 0 experience. Looking at trophy trucks or ultra 4 cars and thinking the standard Bronco is good in the desert shows a complete lack of understanding of suspension geometry. The Bronco IFS is more similar to Honda civic than a pro4 truck. Add in the drawbacks of a shorter wheelbase in stability at speed and it's not even close.

 

[Chasm]

Seen a guy at a track day with a brand new Viper ACR. Had 2,000 miles on it. This was his first track day ever. He made it one lap and missed turn 1 on the start of the second lap. I was behind him. Watched him go straight instead of making the left. He went through the grass and came back on track between turns 2 and 3. I got up behind him him again and followed until he turned into pitt lane. He covered my windshield with fluids. I could see through his back widow that his hood was buckled. I finished my session and came in. Went over to look at the car. Everything was damaged all the way back to the front wheels. The guy was crying as he had just bought the car. His wife didn't want him to buy it in the first place and warned him about it. This that at Pitt Race, the old course.

The more money than brains club, but also not enough money to shake it off!

 

[Thunderspud]

The Bronco IFS is more similar to Honda civic than a pro4 truck

This reminded me of this video I came across awhile back for reasons I can't recall....relevant bits start at 11:15

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