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You asked why Odyssey owners were expounding great results towing the same trailer. One reason for the difference could be the automatic transmission.
But then again, the Odyssey is a completely different class of vehicle...

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Got it. Thanks. Just seems to me that if the towing capacity is higher it should do a better job towing. I’m probably looking at it wrong, or missing something important, but who knows.

Great responses. Thanks!
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I have a dump trailer that I pulled with a JKU with a MT loaded it weighed 3400 pounds it did fine even at 70 mph. I also pulled a vintage camper with it. You rarely use sixth on the interstate. I now have a Willys Gladiator and will be pulling my dump trailer loaded later this week.

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You’re planning to pull that camper? That’s a very similar setup to what im planning.
 

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I would think as long as your trailer is properly loaded (60% weight ahead of the axle) that you shouldn't have any problems. As you know, the Casitas are some of the lightest trailers out there. I'm jealous! We were in the market for one, but I didn't want to wait the 1+ year for a new one and it was difficult finding a used one at a good price. Ultimately I went with an aluminum trailer that is just a bit heavier. The Gladiator tows it great (haven't had it on the freeway with steep grades yet), but mine also has a 6,000 towing capacity.
 
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I would think as long as your trailer is properly loaded (60% weight ahead of the axle) that you shouldn't have any problems. As you know, the Casitas are some of the lightest trailers out there. I'm jealous! We were in the market for one, but I didn't want to wait the 1+ year for a new one and it was difficult finding a used one at a good price. Ultimately I went with an aluminum trailer that is just a bit heavier. The Gladiator tows it great (haven't had it on the freeway with steep grades yet), but mine also has a 6,000 towing capacity.
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You’re planning to pull that camper? That’s a very similar setup to what im planning.
Believe it or not I pulled that camper with a two door not very far and defiantly not fast, the four door pulls the camper great I am thinking the Gladiator will be even better. Like other posts have said it is how you load your trailer, as long as you have the proper weight on the hitch it will be fine. Mark
 

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Reverse does suck with the manual. I really wish it was geared the way 1st is. I don't know if Jeep thought it was important for people to go 20mph in reverse or what. I don't need to go fast in 1st, but it's hella annoying trying to reverse uphill at all, can't imagine with a loaded trailer....
 

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Reverse does suck with the manual. I really wish it was geared the way 1st is. I don't know if Jeep thought it was important for people to go 20mph in reverse or what. I don't need to go fast in 1st, but it's hella annoying trying to reverse uphill at all, can't imagine with a loaded trailer....

Most of my reversing with a trailer is done on lose gravel so I put it in 4 low and that works good just idle the engine. I don't understand why they have reverse geared so high.
 

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Most of my reversing with a trailer is done on lose gravel so I put it in 4 low and that works good just idle the engine. I don't understand why they have reverse geared so high.
I guess that is an option, just hate to do that just to back up into my driveway. I do feel like I'm abusing the clutch a little, or that I'm going to blast up my driveway so fast that I'm going to hit something. It really is the dumbest thing about the truck IMO. I don't really even mind needing to drop to 5th gear when climbing a tall grade at highway speeds.
 

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So I just test drove a 2021 Wills Sport. 6spd, all black, bed liner, tow package, aux switches, AND none of the safety bells and whistles that I despise (more on this below).

I will be trading in a 2020 4 runner auto. I miss the truck bed and want a manual.

That said, I don't know if I would make the switch for anything but a manual 6sp (which the Willys Sport is), which I very much miss. However, I have a camper that I love and really need to make sure that the manual Willys will be able to pull it safely.

The camper is a Casita 17SD, weighing in at about 2,500 lbs dry. There are many blog posts on trailer weights in the real world (as opposed to published dry weights), and I think it's safe to assume that, fully loaded, the trailer is probably about 3,250 lbs, with a tongue weight approaching 400lbs.

The Willys comes in at 4,000 lb towing capacity, and 400 lb tongue weight. This would seem to be okay, though I understand it is getting close to the limit.

Does anyone have experience with a similar set up on a manual? Any thoughts on the setup I propose above? Honestly, if the truck and trailer are not a perfect match, I might consider finding a lighter weight trailer, but I would rather not. I won't be towing extensively - maybe 3-4x per year. I do have a weight distribution hitch, which should help. And, of course, will run electric brakes.

Man... I love that WIllys!

Thanks in advance!
It's about the same weight i tow, search my posts, or find me on intsagram @gladiatoryyc, you can find my details both places, i have a sport s - 6 speed manual - i am on 37's with 4.88 axles but very little else for mods, i'm reasonably light weight, used a curt echo bluetooth trailer brake controller, i'm happy with set up. If you go up in tire size you will be happier with changing the axle ratio's, 3.73's will be set up best for the little stock tires it has, and as soon as you go past say the 285 75r17's on stock rubicons you'll be struggling. i ran 35's empty for awhile and towing would have been an issue, then i ran 37's briefly on same 3.73's and it was maybe adequate 4-speed for street only, towing would not work in any sort of hills....4.88's however are the ultimate combo for my rig and trailer. If building a heavier jeep than i did then 5.13's would make it on the list but i'm tickled with my build and set up now. No changes coming, just years of driving now.
 

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So I just test drove a 2021 Wills Sport. 6spd, all black, bed liner, tow package, aux switches, AND none of the safety bells and whistles that I despise (more on this below).

That said, I don't know if I would make the switch for anything but a manual 6sp (which the Willys Sport is), which I very much miss. However, I have a camper that I love and really need to make sure that the manual Willys will be able to pull it safely.

The camper is a Casita 17SD, weighing in at about 2,500 lbs dry. . . I think it's safe to assume that, fully loaded, the trailer is probably about 3,250 lbs, with a tongue weight approaching 400lbs.

The Willys comes in at 4,000 lb towing capacity, and 400 lb tongue weight. This would seem to be okay, though I understand it is getting close to the limit.
One thing to keep in mind is the 4000 lb limit with the manual is based on the torque capacity of the clutch/trans., not the basic stability of the JT platform. So one way to think of it is that even at 4000 lb maximum you are well below the theoretical maximum towing capacity of the vehicle.
 

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I have a manual rubicon with mopar lift and 37s with stock 4.10s and have towed a loaded up a 6x10 box trailer. I'm not sure the weight but after I got moving I didn't notice it behind me. As others have said reverse is a little tricky and will require a lot of clutch slippage. If your worried about weight check out this video he is in a sport, non max tow, 37s with 3.73 gearing and way over the limit.

If your thinking about going with 35s or 37s in the future splurge for the Rubicon to get the 4.10 gears. 4.10s are only available with the manual on the Rubicon. It will save you 2k+ not having to regear!

 

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Understood, but the tow capacity is less. Isn’t the entire drivetrain a factor of the towing capacity? If it’s 4000, regardless of what tranny, it’s still higher.
Big difference between can tow it and should tow it. On the Odyssey, the chassis/hitch are the limiting factor but the powertrain (as evidenced by the Ridgeline) can do more.

But on the Gladiator, one of two trucks that are otherwise 100% identical will have a significantly lower tow rating just because it has a third pedal. The gearbox in the JL/JT is running right at the limits of its rated capacity (like literally within 15 lb-ft or so) so there's very little room for additional stresses.

So you probably can tow it, just don't be surprised if your clutch burns or a bearing goes on the transmission well ahead of the norm.
 

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So I just test drove a 2021 Wills Sport. 6spd, all black, bed liner, tow package, aux switches, AND none of the safety bells and whistles that I despise (more on this below).

I will be trading in a 2020 4 runner auto. I miss the truck bed and want a manual.

That said, I don't know if I would make the switch for anything but a manual 6sp (which the Willys Sport is), which I very much miss. However, I have a camper that I love and really need to make sure that the manual Willys will be able to pull it safely.

The camper is a Casita 17SD, weighing in at about 2,500 lbs dry. There are many blog posts on trailer weights in the real world (as opposed to published dry weights), and I think it's safe to assume that, fully loaded, the trailer is probably about 3,250 lbs, with a tongue weight approaching 400lbs.

The Willys comes in at 4,000 lb towing capacity, and 400 lb tongue weight. This would seem to be okay, though I understand it is getting close to the limit.

Does anyone have experience with a similar set up on a manual? Any thoughts on the setup I propose above? Honestly, if the truck and trailer are not a perfect match, I might consider finding a lighter weight trailer, but I would rather not. I won't be towing extensively - maybe 3-4x per year. I do have a weight distribution hitch, which should help. And, of course, will run electric brakes.

Man... I love that WIllys!

Thanks in advance!
that is really cutting it close with the 400 lb max tongue weight.

Another thing no one has really mentioned is payload. With 400 in tongue weight and two adults... you have a couple hundred pounds left.

your really limited with a manual and the gladiator. The manual really puts the capacities in JLU territory.
Lastly, is your trailer a single axel? If so, towing something that heavy with one axel would be way scarier than something with dual axels in even the 6000-7000 range.

I know two people now who have had TT’s in the 3000-4000 range wreck. They were also well within capacities. Tandem axels tend to keep things straight and less sway, two axels is less likely tip over in high winds, the added weight of heavier trailers will also help keep the tires on the ground.

these shorter sub 20’ trailers are the ones that people are super confident and think they can drive 85 mpg down the highway with 40-50 mile an hour cross winds, which results in a disaster. I take it slow and easy with mine, try not to go over 60, usually stay around 55.
 
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that is really cutting it close with the 400 lb max tongue weight.

Another thing no one has really mentioned is payload. With 400 in tongue weight and two adults... you have a couple hundred pounds left.

your really limited with a manual and the gladiator. The manual really puts the capacities in JLU territory.
Lastly, is your trailer a single axel? If so, towing something that heavy with one axel would be way scarier than something with dual axels in even the 6000-7000 range.

I know two people now who have had TT’s in the 3000-4000 range wreck. They were also well within capacities. Tandem axels tend to keep things straight and less sway, two axels is less likely tip over in high winds, the added weight of heavier trailers will also help keep the tires on the ground.

these shorter sub 20’ trailers are the ones that people are super confident and think they can drive 85 mpg down the highway with 40-50 mile an hour cross winds, which results in a disaster. I take it slow and easy with mine, try not to go over 60, usually stay around 55.
Thanks. Yeah the tongue weight bothers me the most - or the limited payload that is. I am really getting a mixed bag of responses/opinions, which I really appreciate. Maybe if I get the truck, give it a shot and it's obviously not going to work, then I can switch up on campers. An Aliner Ranger 12, for example, would be well within the parameters. Those trailers are about $1500 dry, and have a tongue weight of approx. 150 lbs.

Need to get a good deal on the truck first. Thanks to all and happy towing!
 

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I have a manual rubicon with mopar lift and 37s with stock 4.10s and have towed a loaded up a 6x10 box trailer. I'm not sure the weight but after I got moving I didn't notice it behind me. As others have said reverse is a little tricky and will require a lot of clutch slippage. If your worried about weight check out this video he is in a sport, non max tow, 37s with 3.73 gearing and way over the limit.

If your thinking about going with 35s or 37s in the future splurge for the Rubicon to get the 4.10 gears. 4.10s are only available with the manual on the Rubicon. It will save you 2k+ not having to regear!

just to bump that trailer in reverse up onto a curb for a driveway for parking job at your house would require 4 lo, ask me how i know, otherwise you smoke clutch hard, also if you stop on a steep-ish driveway...you'd never get started from a dig without 4 lo...ask me how i know, on a friends super steep country driveway empty i couldn't get started from a dig with 37's with 3.73's without near redline clutch drop and spinning the gravel....if it was pavement i would have needed 4 lo again to get to the top of the driveway, why did i stop? he was coming down so we pulled over to chat and he was gonna turn around come back up....anyway, you've been warned
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