Is the V6 gone for 2025?

[biodiesel]

I am all over the place. My dealer would love to sell me a 23, should I wait for the 2025 4Xe or the potential for an I6. ugh… If only I knew what MY 2025 will bring I could make a decision.

It was an easy decision for me. Should I buy the last North American diesel ever made in a mid-sized truck for $15,000 off MSRP? I said, "Yes, of course"!

With all seriousness, you could always buy a heavily discounted 2023 now and sell/trade it in 2025/2026 if the Hurricane is released. Or you could always keep your 2023 and add another Gladiator to your fleet! That's what I did with Ram. I bought a new 2015 Ram EcoDiesel. Once it was paid off, then I ordered a new 2020 Ram EcoDiesel. Now I split the miles between the two trucks and aways have a backup if one goes down for a repair.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Or you could always keep your 2023 and add another Gladiator to your fleet!

Damn, I can hardly handle and justify the hundreds a year in license and all that insurance on one, let alone two JTs.
Between the license fees for our JLU and JT - it's over a grand a year.

The video I watched actually stated “steering column” not rack, apologies. It clearly sated the I6 will fit anywhere the current V6 is in application but would be mated to the 8spd as standard and no MT would be available. Man it sounded convincing.

Yeah, they want to be convincing. Wait a few months and they'll get worse. They'll have faked images and interviews that never took place. It's their job to be convincing.
But unless that person is a MOPAR insider, they can't know any more than any other blogger or youtuber. And those videos keep getting posted and keep getting "discussed" in multiple threads because they are so convincing.

Only an insider would know. If they work for Jeep, fine, otherwise, unless being fed information from the inside, I would want to know their source and why all of the other 4x4 rags and blogs out there aren't all over this.

Even C&D was "we believe" and "it would follow that" and "this has been their direction" - but they could not say "we know this". All they could do is say "we believe this is how it will be".

Where is ALLPAR on this - they usually have some inside track..........

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Glad to hear you made it out before the carnage. Mind if I ask where you landed? Automotive I assume…..

Yes, still automotive, a nice Tier 1.5 where expectations and work load are low/reasonable. Much happier now, especially when I go into one of the plants and see my former colleagues, or anyone from Ford running around like lunatics working 12 hours handling 2 and 3 cell phones at once lol.

They can keep the 15k a year, I'll keep my 5.5 hour days and actual vacations.

 

[Geoarch]

i doubt jeep wants to give up on the JT's towing abilities. the 2.0 isn't cutting in. Especially in a platform whose towing is already limited by heat with the 3.6.

That being said... maybe they don't care about towing anymore? They have the figures on what percentage of buyers are going maxtow. If that wasn't high enough they might not care to lose that piece of the business.

We're all just speculating at this point.

Or maybe they just expect people wanting to tow to buy a RAM.

 

[Geoarch]

I got my 2023 Gladiator 3.0L diesel, so I'm as happy as a pig in mud. With that said, I hope the Gladiator continues beyond 2028.

It may be that they are waiting to see if the 4XE Gladiator does as well as the 4XE Wrangler.

 

[Geoarch]

Grew up driving a 1976 CJ5 with a 232 I-6 (90 hp, 170 lb-ft torque), then a 1947 Willy's with transplanted V6 (160 hp, 235 lb-ft torque). The pentastar V6 is ok for me... I can accelerate up any of our mountain passes here in Colorado.

And the Rubicon gearing provides plenty of crawling torque.

IMHO

Exactly for me in New Mexico, especially since I traded for an AT Rubicon from the MT. I miss the MT, but at high elevation, the AT is a better fit.

 

[Geoarch]

I don't understand the "minivan" engine as a dig. As though being in a mommyvan is a bad thing?

It is a corporate motor used in multiple vehicles. Just so happens the majority of what it was used in are now out of production and all that is left are minivans, Jeeps, and a single trim of the Ram 1500.

Guess the people that think that would really hate to know that a variation on the Mitsu motor that was found in the Voyager/T&C/Caravan back in the day was also in the 3000GT, Stealth, and others.

The Hurricane series of 4's and 6's are also a corporate motors. Are they bad now if they made it into a mommy van?

Remember Chevy's 327, a damn good engine moded for the strip, was used in mom and pop Chevy's for years - 265-283-327 and on an on. It's what you do with it.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Yup, agreed. I feel like Stellantis is just going to kill off Chrysler. Dodge is weird though. I mean they’re investing a bunch on an ev Charger and they just brought the Hornet to market. So they are investing in Dodge.

I dunno. I just can't see the Chrysler name hanging on for one model once the last back stock of 300's are gone. Shifting the Pacifica to Dodge and calling it a Caravan is probably cheaper than keeping an entire division in name only around.

Remember Chevy's 327, a damn good engine moded for the strip, was used in mom and pop Chevy's for years - 265-283-327 and on an on. It's what you do with it.

Right? Or the Ford Windsor block design. It was used in various forms in everything from Le Mans winning GT40s to shit hauling F-series to your spinster Aunt Blanche's Mercury Zephyr.

 

[Tucson58]

And then 3…..and then a solid Soviet Union selection of 1. Oh I cant wait!

That's after Stellantis sells off Jeep and Alfa to the Chinese companies. You'll then have a great selection of Peugeots.

 

[SPED1]

Wow! So much hate for calling it a minivan engine...... Well my 1999 TJ was a 2.5 abused squirrel! My 2005 project TJ is a 4.0... I was lucky to get 11 miles per gallon out of the 4 banger. Was getting 20mpgs out of my sport 6 speed with 33" tires. Lucky if I get 16mpgs out of my 37" Nitto tired Rubicon automatic. Yes it is different from what my fleet of 2020 back caravans run. But the 3.6 in those are pounded upon by taxi and school bus drivers routinely to 200k miles with only a third needing cam replacements! Our newer Voyagers and Pacifica's have the same ESS engines as my Jeep. Maybe I can keep this one long enough to see how long the engine lasts!

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I dunno. I just can't see the Chrysler name hanging on for one model once the last back stock of 300's are gone. Shifting the Pacifica to Dodge and calling it a Caravan is probably cheaper than keeping an entire division in name only around.



Right? Or the Ford Windsor block design. It was used in various forms in everything from Le Mans winning GT40s to shit hauling F-series to your spinster Aunt Blanche's Mercury Zephyr.

There's a handful of Alpha based Chryslers en route.

 

[BourbonRunner]

That's after Stellantis sells off Jeep and Alfa to the Chinese companies. You'll then have a great selection of Peugeots.

I'd bet that the Feds would find a way to prevent Jeep from being sold to Geely or another CCP front company. GM would likely be the top bidder.

Ford seems to regularly tap-dance on the financial insolvency line and they have billions tied up in Bronco R&D and manufacturing. No sense in buying your biggest competitor unless you're just after their superior soft top. (which is exactly the sort of bone headed move Dearborn is famous for)

 

[BourbonRunner]

There's a handful of Alpha based Chryslers en route.

I've read similar, and the Airflow has potential if it actually makes it here. But it doesn't bely the fact that it bears a very strong resemblance to the Hornet and Tonale, which are selling here already in the dozens. It is not easy to bring excitement to a company whose only two models are an aging minivan (albeit a nice one) and a discontinued sedan rooted in decades old Mercedes architecture. Nothing wrong with that fundamentally, its been a large profit center because the tooling has been in place since... 2004. But 20 years in production in the car world is an eternity.

Point being: Outside of Jeep and Ram, Stellantis has serious sales issues in the USDM. And candidly, with the French political/social situation being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Stellantis has some reshuffling in the works. The state-owned French investment bank has a sizable chunk of the shares and a seat on the board. The 5th Republic's disarray and seeming shift to the hard left is going to be devastating to businesses in France.

Don't get me wrong, I want the remnants of Chrysler to succeed and be around for a long, long time. I just don't see it happening under Tavares' leadership and Stellantis stewardship.

 

[biodiesel]

Don't get me wrong, I want the remnants of Chrysler to succeed and be around for a long, long time. I just don't see it happening under Tavares' leadership and Stellantis stewardship.

I hope Chrysler hangs on, too. The last Chrysler vehicle that I really loved was the Aspen. It was an actual truck (body on frame) and was luxurious.

 

[BourbonRunner]

I hope Chrysler hangs on, too. The last Chrysler vehicle that I really loved was the Aspen. It was an actual truck (body on frame) and was luxurious.

Looking back, the Aspen was far more attractive than its Durango twin. Had the 2008/09 recession not forced DC to consolidate operations and dealers, I wonder if Chrysler would have soldiered on doing badge engineered luxury versions of its other vehicles the way Cadillac had for decades.

Not that it's a bad thing- Chrysler sold T&C minivans by the hundreds of thousands as the luxury alternative to the Voyager and Caravan. I remember when my folks were seriously considering mommy vans in the early 90s- the T&C was the top contender until Ford debuted the Windstar which was substantially bigger and a lot less money.

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