Is using auto start stop worth it?

[Oldgoatdriver]

YOUR first vehicle, but this has been in Jeeps since 2015 for the 2016 model year. Hundreds of thousands of Grand Cherokees, among other vehicles from Stellantis with the 3.6 have this. It's been around. since the 1970s. it's not new - just new to you. It's a technology that's been around longer than most people here have owned Jeeps, especially Jeeps with the ESS/3.6
50 years it's been around. 50 years to get things right with the engine, starters and such. GM, Ford and others have used a system similar to Jeep, others use a single battery, but they've used it for many years.
It's not new by any stretch of the imagination.
Companies have been stopping and starting vehicles at stops for many years. Even those with starters have been around for over a DECADE. it's not a problem - except in the closed minds of some who simply find it annoying, irritating, or choose to hate it.
And if they find it annoying, irritating or have chosen to hate it - that's fine - it's theirs, and their mind, their choice.
But to say "oh, but....but...but....... it will wear things out, it will destroy things" is bullshit, plain and simple.
Hate it - but at least hate it for the reasons that don't rely on spreading crap. Find it annoying -turn it off! Get a tazer or a stop/start eliminator, whatever.

Thank you, sounds good. My other Jeep is a 1974 CJ5 so didn’t come with that technology.

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[YGBSM]

Thank you, sounds good. My other Jeep is a 1974 CJ5 so didn’t come with that technology.

My CJ5 had it. It would just stop running any damn time it wanted to!
Still the best $1,200 I ever spent.

 

[Sandman 4x4]

Well in my experience the system will save gas and emissions, only IF the pause in idling is as long as the red lights cycle. Like at any typical plane 4 way intersection. But when they have dedicated left turn timed arrows, that then add another 45 seconds at each NSEW direction, adds another 3 minutes to the regular 6 minute light cycle. By the time you finally not only catch a green light with traffic finally catching up and you make it through, the system may have paused once but that’s not enough to save any at that long a light cycle, that are all over Florida, not to mention how you must use the AC!

 

[legacy_etu]

You may wanna scroll past this one but...

I was flying some family around in a small twin engine plane. My brother wanted my 5 year old nephew to sit up front next to me just for the experience of being close to the controls and he could see out in front of the wing. As were leveled off I set the power and started a left turn when the #2 engine quit. I looked over at the center console and saw my nephew with the #2 mixture knob (starves the engine of fuel) in his hand and pulled all the way back (yes I did tell him no to touch anything before we took off).

Soooooo, I hate automatic start-stop.

In my experience people start screaming when the ESS does it's thing.

 

[Coldjensens]

Worth it? Depends on what you are trying to accomplish by using it. For Jeep is it well worth it because it helps them meet federal standards. Those standards are indifferent to whether there is any net savings, all that matters is theoretical improvement.

In the real world, you are probably never going to notice the difference. I turn mine off because I am wiggly and do not sit still well, so I tend to move up in little bits while waiting (especially at a train). Thus for me it is stop, start stop start stop start stop. Also I just find it annoying. So I turn it off when i remember which is about half the time that I drive.

I know that cars that sit unused decay much faster than cars that are lightly used (thus really low miles on an older car are not a good thing). The same may be true for systems, not sure. But if you do not use it, will it decay faster?

 

[Rubicon Runnin' Bob]

For $15 a month (or so) savings I would gladly do without auto stop-start

For all those of you that would like to use it, I'm glad that it is available to you

Many of us have NO use for it ($15/month, are you kidding me)

I guess what it really comes down to, for me, is if I was able to push a button to turn it off and it did NOT come back on until that button was PUSHED again (NOT every time I start my vehicle), I believe most folks would have no problem with it

However, they push it down our throats and expect us to say "thank you sir, may I have another?

 

[Mr._Bill]

For $15 a month (or so) savings I would gladly do without auto stop-start

For all those of you that would like to use it, I'm glad that it is available to you

Many of us have NO use for it ($15/month, are you kidding me)

I guess what it really comes down to, for me, is if I was able to push a button to turn it off and it did NOT come back on until that button was PUSHED again (NOT every time I start my vehicle), I believe most folks would have no problem with it

However, they push it down our throats and expect us to say "thank you sir, may I have another?

Complain to your elected representatives. Jeep doesn't get the EPA credits for it unless it defaults to the on state at startup.

 

[guntrust]

I wouldn't know. I got a manual.

 

[Rubicon Runnin' Bob]

Complain to your elected representatives. Jeep doesn't get the EPA credits for it unless it defaults to the on state at startup.

I know that, and I understand that

You'd have to be an idiot to not know/understand that

I don't think I made any comment saying it was Jeeps fault/invention

I made my complaint/s known at election time

But thank you for making sure I understand the obvious

 

[MoparDave]

I’ll stick to turning it off every time I get in my Jeep. I see no difference after letting it do its “stop start” thing for 4 years

 

[Mr._Bill]

I know that, and I understand that

You'd have to be an idiot to not know/understand that

I don't think I made any comment saying it was Jeeps fault/invention

I made my complaint/s known at election time

But thank you for making sure I understand the obvious

Just had to check. There are a lot of idiots out there. You shouldn't have ended your post with a question. That indicates you are expecting a response.

 

[emoney]

I'm new to my Gladiator, so not sure I have an opinion on it either way as it applies to benefits. My Silverado didn't have it so no need to even consider the pros/cons. Having said that, I'm quickly becoming annoyed by needing to remember to turn it off. It's gets hot down here in Florida and the second that ac compressor kicks off because the AS engaged I'm reminded of the button. I will say this thread has been timely because I'm not looking for best solution to turn it off full time.

 

[Bcski1]

I will opt out of auto start stop as all starters have a finite life. I don't have kids so not worried about the planet.

 

[Badunit]

There are two sides to pretty much everything.

There was a time when cars had crank starters and then switched to electric and im sure people were saying “well this sucks”

It probably did suck in some ways back then, before batteries and starters became more reliable.

Damn electronic ignition - I want to set MY OWN TIMING! I know better!
Damn those fuel injectors - they don't let me double my CFM and mess with the jets and metering rods. Engineers suck.

I am a big fan of electronic ignition and fuel injections but, before them, if you added performance-changing parts to your engine, you could make adjustments to timing and fueling yourself, without a computer. That was part of the fun. Another was field-repairability with a small kit of spare/repair parts and tools. On the downside, they needed repairs and adjustments far too often.

As for auto-start-stop... if it helped with CAFE stadards then great but I don't like it and it will take a lot to convince me that repeated stopping and starting is not hard on the engine. All that stuff about oil films and bearings.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

and it will take a lot to convince me that repeated stopping and starting is not hard on the engine. All that stuff about oil films and bearings.

Took me a long time and more study than most people ever apply themselves to, in order to get to where I am, no way I can explain it all in a few posts on a forum - so why even bother?

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