Jeep gives you nothing but heaches...

[Motoarch]

I have zero sympathy for you. What an amazingly wonderful first world problem to have.

With everything thats happened in the last year plus shits moving slow right now.

Deal with it.

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[concretewolf]

seriously, your getting a brand new truck and need to wait, and thats a problem?? go buy one off a lot somewhere if you cant wait. sheeesh.

 

[MrZappo]

A lot of our "manufacturer issues" would be solved if we produced/made more things here in the great ol' USA instead of outsourcing everything overseas. I didn't say ALL of our issues but a lot would be.

Yes this is true ...

What is also true is that your $50,000 truck would be $75,000 if every part was produced here ...

Then people would be complaining about the price ... Trade one issue for another ...

Yeah ...

 

[jeepers29]

Yes this is true ...

What is also true is that your $50,000 truck would be $75,000 if every part was produced here ...

Then people would be complaining about the price ... Trade one issue for another ...

Yeah ...

I'll take the $75,000 truck.

 

[ShirtlessCubsFan]

What is a "heaches"?

It sounds like a delicious dessert.

Garcon, I'll take two!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A lot of our "manufacturer issues" would be solved if we produced/made more things here in the great ol' USA instead of outsourcing everything overseas. I didn't say ALL of our issues but a lot would be.

Hardly. Try waiting weeks, even a month, for domestic products..............
Then there was the oak stair noses that were shipped out of Canada - and were hung up in Memphis for 30 days before finally arriving here.
Trucking is another issue - I have friends in the industry that say getting something from one state to another can be a nightmare because of lack of drivers.
Local stores have empty shelves - waiting for products MADE in the USA.
A few things would be resolved, but likely only a few.
My wife has been waiting over a month for a part for her sewing machine - a part that is supposedly IN this country, trouble getting it here, apparently - PLUS there's no one besides one guy in Ames doing repairs in this area. LACK of trained/skilled people willing to actually troubleshoot and WORK. All of the shops in Central Iowa are saying "we don't have anyone who can do repairs". No one wants to actually think and work hard (or no one is smart or good enough)
Pella Corp is way behind on things including expansion plans to fill demand - because they can't find workers.
My son was called and offered a job - yes, they called HIM - because CVS Pharmacy (corporate) can't find qualified IT and project manager/project owners. They called him, he interviewed 2 days later and was offered the job later that day.
Can't blame it all on China when no one in this country wants to work or has any skills.

China ensured that they had tool and die makers to go around. In this country, colleges that teach that trade, those skills, are shutting down their programs - no one applying for the classes. China has plenty of tool and die makers - DeeZee will pay employees college costs last I heard and yet - few takers. No one wants to work unless it's at a computer in an office making 6 figures.

 

[jeepers29]

Hardly. Try waiting weeks, even a month, for domestic products..............
Then there was the oak stair noses that were shipped out of Canada - and were hung up in Memphis for 30 days before finally arriving here.
Trucking is another issue - I have friends in the industry that say getting something from one state to another can be a nightmare because of lack of drivers.
Local stores have empty shelves - waiting for products MADE in the USA.
A few things would be resolved, but likely only a few.
My wife has been waiting over a month for a part for her sewing machine - a part that is supposedly IN this country, trouble getting it here, apparently - PLUS there's no one besides one guy in Ames doing repairs in this area. LACK of trained/skilled people willing to actually troubleshoot and WORK. All of the shops in Central Iowa are saying "we don't have anyone who can do repairs". No one wants to actually think and work hard (or no one is smart or good enough)
Pella Corp is way behind on things including expansion plans to fill demand - because they can't find workers.
My son was called and offered a job - yes, they called HIM - because CVS Pharmacy (corporate) can't find qualified IT and project manager/project owners. They called him, he interviewed 2 days later and was offered the job later that day.
Can't blame it all on China when no one in this country wants to work or has any skills.

China ensured that they had tool and die makers to go around. In this country, colleges that teach that trade, those skills, are shutting down their programs - no one applying for the classes. China has plenty of tool and die makers - DeeZee will pay employees college costs last I heard and yet - few takers. No one wants to work unless it's at a computer in an office making 6 figures.

One of the reasons we don't have these craftsman any more is due to the lack of manufacturing which in turm leads to a lack of need for the craftsman to fix machines, ect. Everything has become disposable due to the lack of quality but cheap price so we just replace it. Bring back manufacturing quality products at a higher price and people will repair vs replace. We also need to kick people off of welfare and put them back to work or let them go hungry. IMHO.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One of the reasons we don't have these craftsman any more is due to the lack of manufacturing which in turm leads to a lack of need for the craftsman to fix machines, ect. Everything has become disposable due to the lack of quality but cheap price so we just replace it. Bring back manufacturing quality products at a higher price and people will repair vs replace. We also need to kick people off of welfare and put them back to work or let them go hungry. IMHO.

Agreed there's lack of manufacturing, but that's not the whole issue.
Mike Rowe has tried for years to encourage young people to go to TRADE schools and learn a trade, but the government and others say no, you need a 4 year degree to be anyone important. People are being discouraged to go into the trades.
Even This Old House has had programs to get young involved in the building trades.
Who wants to sweat and do physical work when you can sit in an office and pull big bucks.

 

[jeepers29]

Agreed there's lack of manufacturing, but that's not the whole issue.
Mike Rowe has tried for years to encourage young people to go to TRADE schools and learn a trade, but the government and others say no, you need a 4 year degree to be anyone important. People are being discouraged to go into the trades.
Even This Old House has had programs to get young involved in the building trades.
Who wants to sweat and do physical work when you can sit in an office and pull big bucks.

This is true, as I was in home construction for years. What I was leaning towards is the fact that we don't manufacture anymore, leads to no need for tool and die shops. No need for people with skills to fix the machines that factories use, ect. We are losing all the skilled trades that we used to have and made this country able to take care of things vs replace them. In construction anyway, almost anyone can be trained in a very short time to pull wire thru a frame, or do plumbing roughs, ac roughs. Believe me when I say, the guys doing trade work in home construction have very little skiils or experience.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is true, as I was in home construction for years. What I was leaning towards is the fact that we don't manufacture anymore, leads to no need for tool and die shops. No need for people with skills to fix the machines that factories use, ect. We are losing all the skilled trades that we used to have and made this country able to take care of things vs replace them. In construction anyway, almost anyone can be trained in a very short time to pull wire thru a frame, or do plumbing roughs, ac roughs. Believe me when I say, the guys doing trade work in home construction have very little skiils or experience.

And you hit on one reason I do and have always done almost all of my own repairs and remodeling at home - if I hire someone, they MUST be willing to let me inspect, and do things according to my specs and plans.
We had a company with great reviews (unless they delete the bad ones?) do a sunroom. The fool did it ALL BY HIMSELF, no helper, and did it all in 3.5 days. And we struggled to get them to send someone out to do over several things, are still dealing with roof problems, screwed up shingles, lack of flashing and a missing door latch, split and poor fitting wood paneling and other BS. The guy they sent to take care of messed up siding and certain other problems wasn't much better. Instead of installing the siding correctly with the right fittings, cut so it's close enough and glue it on - and that's vinyl siding where we could see an AM temp of 30 and a late afternoon temp the same day, with full sun, of 85 or 90.. If you love the looks of ripples, he's your guy.

 

[DirkG]

...got build sheet and window sticker on 8/17...it will be at the dealer by 10/11..

I didn't order my JT, but from what I've read on this forum, isn't a 2-month window par for the course and if anything, quite good?

 

[sharpsicle]

These threads give me nothing but "heaches" as well...

Honestly, we have turned our society into such an instant-gratification machine that people can no longer be patient with something as complex as a custom-ordered truck, and have also been cultured into not having any empathy for the other side of the equation. Jeep isn't sitting here trying to screw you. They're trying to manage shortages as best they can as well. Be grateful they're able to provide any information at all! The supply chain is hurting badly right now. Welcome to reality. Step back for a second and realize that. Work together, not against.

Yet here we are with plenty of people defending that destructive "me-first, me-now" mindset and in the same breath asking why it isn't getting better. Wow.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I didn't order my JT, but from what I've read on this forum, isn't a 2-month window par for the course and if anything, quite good?

Check back in the posts from summer to fall of 2019 - yeah, that's a common theme if I recall correctly, and that was pre-covid (at least in the US)

 

[Matts4313]

your getting a brand new truck and need to wait, and thats a problem??

To be fair, the waiting part does suck, haha. Just follow the order threads and see us people waiting feverishly refreshing the page.

 

[Deleted member 40439]

Everyone does have a right to get frustrated. In fact you have a right to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt another person.

But if you share that frustration in a social forum, then you are in effect ASKING for a response.

There there, don't worry, you will get it eventually . . . Is that what we should all say?

Sorry. Yes, its frustrating. But its also laughable since its not a REAL problem.

Why even comment?

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