Jeep is holding my truck on the shipping lot for no reason

[Hootbro]

Don't have doubts. In the 70's and 80's orders were written , and sent to the manufacturer. Units that were getting built for a dealer customer went right in to be built. We received some units in as little as 6 weeks. Some express orders, we could see in 4 weeks. All depended on what and where they were being built. The 90's when orders were sent by the computer , things began to slow up due to the increase in order volume. I worked in the auto industry for 34 years, at the zone level and dealer level, hell you could even call the factory back then to check on an order and maybe get it faster. I retired in 2011, so I'm not familiar with the ordering now.

I can see it in the analog days before JIT (Just In Time) inventory controls came in. Today though, that would be way inefficient for factory scheduling to push customer custom orders before dealer stock and fleet orders that are way easier to plan around.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Don't have doubts. In the 70's and 80's orders were written , and sent to the manufacturer. Units that were getting built for a dealer customer went right in to be built. We received some units in as little as 6 weeks. Some express orders, we could see in 4 weeks. All depended on what and where they were being built. The 90's when orders were sent by the computer , things began to slow up due to the increase in order volume. I worked in the auto industry for 34 years, at the zone level and dealer level, hell you could even call the factory back then to check on an order and maybe get it faster. I retired in 2011, so I'm not familiar with the ordering now.

I have some of the order sheets and even build sheets for AMC cars in the 70s (and 80s for Eagle)
The order sheet was simple, a page for the most part. Each model had an order sheet with the possible options on it. I think what I have for order sheets is around 1970 Javelin.
The build sheets, if you were lucky enough to fine one in the vehicle, we very simple, computerized things. At the end of the line, many got stuck under carpets, in seats, behind door panels, up under the dash and so on.

People question the spring differences on Jeeps today but the fact is - even before some of the member here were born (eh, @Minty JL ) they used different springs side to side and different springs based on options. It's not a new thing by any stretch of the imagination.

Orders came in, were sequenced and built as possible.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I can see it in the analog days before JIT (Just In Time) inventory controls came in.

I can't speak for other companies - but AMC practiced that before I was born and cars were built, sequenced, as orders came in, regardless of being a customer order or a dealer order.
We waited 3 months for our Eagle. New ones showed up on dealer lots for their inventory, while we waited. Customer orders weren't prioritized.
They definitely practiced "JIT" - there are newspaper articles about it and how the head of things back in the 50s was pushing for it, and I can verify that the date codes on radiators, alternators, starters, wiper motors and so on were typically within a month of the car's build date. I have to go through this all the time with people doing restorations who want correct date codes - when was your car built? June 12, 1968? OK, then i need to match your starter and other parts to late May 1968 to the first week of June.
You'll never find a date stamp that's more than a month ahead of the car's final build date.
Body parts tend to be a bit farther out, but not by a lot. You don't put a January date code radiator in a Javelin built in July.

 

[Minty JL]

I have some of the order sheets and even build sheets for AMC cars in the 70s (and 80s for Eagle)
The order sheet was simple, a page for the most part. Each model had an order sheet with the possible options on it. I think what I have for order sheets is around 1970 Javelin.
The build sheets, if you were lucky enough to fine one in the vehicle, we very simple, computerized things. At the end of the line, many got stuck under carpets, in seats, behind door panels, up under the dash and so on.

People question the spring differences on Jeeps today but the fact is - even before some of the member here were born (eh, @Minty JL ) they used different springs side to side and different springs based on options. It's not a new thing by any stretch of the imagination.

Orders came in, were sequenced and built as possible.

ee

Bill why are my ears ringing

 

[sharpsicle]

I can see it in the analog days before JIT (Just In Time) inventory controls came in. Today though, that would be way inefficient for factory scheduling to push customer custom orders before dealer stock and fleet orders that are way easier to plan around.

Yeah the trick there is how they plan manufacturing and if they employ any kind of ATO (assemble to order) process and how early in the manufacturing they can deploy it. The more you can ATO, the more you can standardize certain sections of your process and then divert for specific finishing.

I think it's clear that they do use a significant ATO process based on the delivery differences having a strong correlation with ordered packages. The problem then isn't with the main manufacturing line, but the ATO process either not being efficient, stocked, or requiring changeovers (i.e. multiple ATO flows using the same line/physical tooling). It only gets worse when you start to outsource certain operations.

 

[Hunter#1]

I worked for G.M. then. Back in 1983 I was hired to set up a new Ford dealership by the new owner that I knew. We did order at that time on a computer. I went back to the G.M. dealership I worked for in 1985 and they went computer. That dealer wasn't a D & D store. We could get what we wanted from G.M. We sold on an average of 250 to 300 units a month, G.M will kiss a dealers azz back then for those Numbers. I ordered my wife a 1987 Celebrity Station wagon and was able to get a rush and viynl seats instead of cloth with just a phone call. It came in in 5 weeks. But if for not the money I was paid, I hated that business. I was so happy to retire in 2011 at 62 yrs old.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I worked for G.M. then. Back in 1983 I was hired to set up a new Ford dealership by the new owner that I knew. We did order at that time on a computer.

And the 80286 or "PC AT" wasn't until about 84 so you were on the original PC if you used a "PC" at all.

Or maybe they had their own proprietary systems.
I recall in the 70s taking a tour of the factory where Dad worked and getting to see the inside of their computer room.
Tape reels, punch cards, and big cabinets. Amazed me that a factory like that was computerized in those days.

 

[Hunter#1]

Back then I was not the one ordering for the dealers. Other than inventory control ,I never had to touch a computer. I had a secretary to do computer things. I really didn't learn computers till the end of the 1990s. I'm still not all that savey about them. But I did take very good care of my secretary, She made me and reports look great. Heck , when I started in the business , we did bank contracts by hand . There were no spot deliveries then, unless you were a great customer.

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