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This is why they are developing "EV Jerry Cans" for electric offroaders. Battery packs you charge before you leave that will give you enough range to get out of the boonies. I think Ford has some patents on it for when they release an EV Bronco.
very interesting. Something like that would make things a little easier. That would mean the only remaining problem is charge time.
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very interesting. Something like that would make things a little easier. That would mean the only remaining problem is charge time.
That's getting better as well. Times are dipping below 20 minutes, and the company I work for is developing products that could cut that in half or better.
 

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very interesting. Something like that would make things a little easier. That would mean the only remaining problem is charge time.
Check out the patents Ford has for super-chargers. It's crazy how fast they can charge an EV. Further - all you really need to do is get 'em above 80-85%. The last bit of charge it what takes so long, and gets you the least bang for the time spent.

I think for a while, that Jeep will concentrate on the PHEV alternative to gas/diesel for the Wrangler and Gladiator. I don't see them going full electric really soon. With the added power, torque and range of the 4xe using the newest ZF transmission, they've bought some more time.
 

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Check out the patents Ford has for super-chargers. It's crazy how fast they can charge an EV. Further - all you really need to do is get 'em above 80-85%. The last bit of charge it what takes so long, and gets you the least bang for the time spent.

I think for a while, that Jeep will concentrate on the PHEV alternative to gas/diesel for the Wrangler and Gladiator. I don't see them going full electric really soon. With the added power, torque and range of the 4xe using the newest ZF transmission, they've bought some more time.
You're talking commercial chargers? Like the Tesla ones in public? Super chargers can cut charge time down to roughly an hour. Which is really awesome, relatively speaking. But those are way above anything portable or even at home.
I don't mean to sound like I hate electric. I'd like to have a Scout once they are out. I AM a tech geek. I don't sound it sometimes, but I really am. But I still get let down by my stupid alexa outlets at home about every other day. So I stay reasonably realist (or try to)
 

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You're not completely wrong, however, I can carry extra fuel and have it in my tank a lot faster than an equivelant amount of electricity can be put back in a battery. Try charging an EV in the boonies with a solar panel.... The main breakdown between battery and gas tank is the TIME it takes to refuel. I can carry four jerry cans pretty easily. how long would it take to charge an EV from empty to full with even the biggest portable solar panel?



You're kind of proving my point. Your examples are all leaving civilization. I don't hate electric. But I'm not taking an all electric out to the woods
I haven't carried extra fuel since the wagoneer on 40s. What trails are you running that are both so long and so remote? The rubicon trail...is 18 miles. The dusy ershim trail is 34. Even the mojave road is only 100 miles, and there's a gas station maybe 1/2 mile out of the way I'm the middle of it. 300-400 miles of range is more than enough. My gas only lasts 240 and again I don't carry extra.
 

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Check out the patents Ford has for super-chargers. It's crazy how fast they can charge an EV. Further - all you really need to do is get 'em above 80-85%. The last bit of charge it what takes so long, and gets you the least bang for the time spent.

I think for a while, that Jeep will concentrate on the PHEV alternative to gas/diesel for the Wrangler and Gladiator. I don't see them going full electric really soon. With the added power, torque and range of the 4xe using the newest ZF transmission, they've bought some more time.
We are wrapping up installing 30+ chargers across 3 sites. 350-450kW charges. That's 2-3 times as fast as the current tesla supercharger. That's adding 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes.
 

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IMHO, This electric vehicle nonsense is all well and good for the areas with a well-developed infrastructure to support these drivable electric drills.

But I fancy myself driving the truck down through coastal Mexico, and further down into places south of that. For that, a gasser or diesel is your only option. I wonder if you could even go on a small percentage of the trips we see on " The Story Till Now" episodes that Shawn creates. My guess is you'd be left behind for most of them.
No, we are not mature enough as a planet, nor is the technology, to carry on as we normally would. I think electric vehicles (Having owned one) is currently highly localized and a pipe dream.

When I did the south rim of the Grand Canyon and went exploring in the nearby mountains, I did it in a 4XE JL, and almost exclusively on gas motor power. The electric charge lasted just a few miles out of St. George, where we were basing. What I actually had was a very heavy Jeep with some blue highlights...
 

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IMHO, This electric vehicle nonsense is all well and good for the areas with a well-developed infrastructure to support these drivable electric drills.

But I fancy myself driving the truck down through coastal Mexico, and further down into places south of that. For that, a gasser or diesel is your only option. I wonder if you could even go on a small percentage of the trips we see on " The Story Till Now" episodes that Shawn creates. My guess is you'd be left behind for most of them.
No, we are not mature enough as a planet, nor is the technology, to carry on as we normally would. I think electric vehicles (Having owned one) is currently highly localized and a pipe dream.

When I did the south rim of the Grand Canyon and went exploring in the nearby mountains, I did it in a 4XE JL, and almost exclusively on gas motor power. The electric charge lasted just a few miles out of St. George, where we were basing. What I actually had was a very heavy Jeep with some blue highlights...
And 470ftlbs of torque... you're never exclusively on gas in a 4xe. Even when it says <1% there's battery in reserve which is why it is still far quicker than the ICE variant.
 

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We are wrapping up installing 30+ chargers across 3 sites. 350-450kW charges. That's 2-3 times as fast as the current tesla supercharger. That's adding 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes.
Thats awesome. In 15 minutes?! Before long, the refueling argument will be moot. Here in PA, I've only seen a couple of 220 chargers at a dealership or two. Erie, PA might have a supercharger or 20. I'm in the Allegheny National Forest and there's very little infrastructure out here. Even gas stations get a little sparse. I generally carry a 5 gallon gas can. Tourists can get caught by surprise pretty often. You can get stuck with a 20 mile walk more than you think.
 

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And 470ftlbs of torque... you're never exclusively on gas in a 4xe. Even when it says <1% there's battery in reserve which is why it is still far quicker than the ICE variant.
Nevertheless, I am sitting on hundreds of extra pounds, having to pay a bunch more for batteries and electronic stuff which I cannot reasonably accept as something I'd be willing to bet my safety on. I've operated too many things on land and in the air that constantly proved themselves to be unreliable.
Further, I doubt that after a couple of hundred miles, I had any electric assistance going on. And one more point, I don't think I ever needed that 470 ft lbs while lightly cruising on dirt roads or in forests where that kind of torque would just rutt the trail to heck and back.
Having said that, I respect those who embrace the electric vehicle migration, but the farmer/pilot/soldier in me flatly rejects it.
 

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No, it's not really a gauge of anything when you guide the responses by controlling the choices. jeep already know the demographic -you'd better believe they do. I've participated some some pretty extensive Q&A from Jeep over the years. It included tech, engines and more. They know your age, sex and more. Oh, they know, don't think that they don't. They spend millions on market research you aren't even aware of.
Like I said, I had that poll already.
 

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Further, I doubt that after a couple of hundred miles, I had any electric assistance going on.
Yeah, I'd bet you did. You can use the page on the radio that shows exactly what is going where and when. They never let the HV batteries get "empty". You have the main motor in the transmission as well as the MGU on the engine (which is a starter, generator and motor assist)
Even in all of the stop and go traffic of Atlanta, then in the mountains of KY, I could see we had assist the full time.
 

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Nevertheless, I am sitting on hundreds of extra pounds, having to pay a bunch more for batteries and electronic stuff which I cannot reasonably accept as something I'd be willing to bet my safety on. I've operated too many things on land and in the air that constantly proved themselves to be unreliable.
Further, I doubt that after a couple of hundred miles, I had any electric assistance going on. And one more point, I don't think I ever needed that 470 ft lbs while lightly cruising on dirt roads or in forests where that kind of torque would just rutt the trail to heck and back.
Having said that, I respect those who embrace the electric vehicle migration, but the farmer/pilot/soldier in me flatly rejects it.
Unless you were never braking or going down hill for hundreds of miles, the regenerative braking was keeping charge in the batteries. Not sure how you're paying a bunch more for batteries and electronics when the tax incentives make the 4xe cheaper either? And comparing a hybrid with a 25 mile range to a real EV with 300-400 miles of range isn't exactly relevant anyway.
 

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We are wrapping up installing 30+ chargers across 3 sites. 350-450kW charges. That's 2-3 times as fast as the current tesla supercharger. That's adding 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes.
These days - it takes me that long to pee LOL
 
 







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