Jeep wants your input as to what powerplant to add

[Mister Lamb]

Hurricane HO I-6.

Why is everyone obsessed with the idea of a new and relatively untested Stellantis-owned twin turbo? Blows my mind anyone has any kind of faith in these Italians

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[Zachanadandy]

Why is everyone obsessed with the idea of a new and relatively untested Stellantis-owned twin turbo? Blows my mind anyone has any kind of faith in these Italians

Ford has been building ecoboosts for years... and they are still blowing up. The 5.7L in my rebel went 120k miles with nothing more than oil changes, makes basically the same power, same fuel economy, and sounded way better.

 

[Greg_L]

Those are blowing up spectacularly lately.

Shit happens. I'd still rather take my chances with an LS than anyone else's V8s.

 

[Flyin6]

Unless you were never braking or going down hill for hundreds of miles, the regenerative braking was keeping charge in the batteries. Not sure how you're paying a bunch more for batteries and electronics when the tax incentives make the 4xe cheaper either? And comparing a hybrid with a 25 mile range to a real EV with 300-400 miles of range isn't exactly relevant anyway.

Lots of downhill, some braking.
Full disclosure, it was a rental out of Las Vegas.
Tax incentive...Well, I haven't looked into that. Is it a dollar-for-dollar sort of thing or something that gets factored like normal itemized deductions? When I bought the Tesla, I did not get ANY TAX break because of Biden not allowing the deduction for Tesla only vehicles. I guess that left a bad taste in my life.
My Model 3 Performance often would say 280ish range. The real world was half that I was sweating bullets. One trip that should have been possible was a failure because the thing NEVER got anything near the range that it said on the screen. I have very low trust, born from real-world experience in these electric vehicles. And I just don't need the added stress.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Lots of downhill, some braking.
Full disclosure, it was a rental out of Las Vegas.
Tax incentive...Well, I haven't looked into that. Is it a dollar-for-dollar sort of thing or something that gets factored like normal itemized deductions? When I bought the Tesla, I did not get ANY TAX break because of Biden not allowing the deduction for Tesla only vehicles. I guess that left a bad taste in my life.
My Model 3 Performance often would say 280ish range. The real world was half that I was sweating bullets. One trip that should have been possible was a failure because the thing NEVER got anything near the range that it said on the screen. I have very low trust, born from real-world experience in these electric vehicles. And I just don't need the added stress.

Like gas or diesel - YMMV even with EVs. It depends on the SPEED you drive, how fast you do or don't accelerate and so on. I can make our 4xe get at least if not more than advertised battery, or, if I drive like me - a lot less. Hills, wind, it all impacts even EV cars. It's all about horsepower and that applies to EVs except in watts, not BTUs

 

[Zachanadandy]

Lots of downhill, some braking.
Full disclosure, it was a rental out of Las Vegas.
Tax incentive...Well, I haven't looked into that. Is it a dollar-for-dollar sort of thing or something that gets factored like normal itemized deductions? When I bought the Tesla, I did not get ANY TAX break because of Biden not allowing the deduction for Tesla only vehicles. I guess that left a bad taste in my life.
My Model 3 Performance often would say 280ish range. The real world was half that I was sweating bullets. One trip that should have been possible was a failure because the thing NEVER got anything near the range that it said on the screen. I have very low trust, born from real-world experience in these electric vehicles. And I just don't need the added stress.

It is a tax credit so dollar for dollar not a write off or deduction. We don't own a 4xe but had a rental for 2 weeks in Hawaii and it was fun to drive. Made the 2022 JLUR with the v6 and my 2023 JT with the v6 feel sluggish by comparison. We were even able to find a free charger a few blocks from the condo we were staying at. It easily got 25-29 miles on a full charge but there are nothing but 2 lane roads and no speed limits over 55mph so that helps. If we were in the market for a new wrangler the 4xe would be at the top of the list (unless I could talk the wife into dropping 392 money of course).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It is a tax credit so dollar for dollar not a write off or deduction. We don't own a 4xe but had a rental for 2 weeks in Hawaii and it was fun to drive. Made the 2022 JLUR with the v6 and my 2023 JT with the v6 feel sluggish by comparison. We were even able to find a free charger a few blocks from the condo we were staying at. It easily got 25-29 miles on a full charge but there are nothing but 2 lane roads and no speed limits over 55mph so that helps. If we were in the market for a new wrangler the 4xe would be at the top of the list (unless I could talk the wife into dropping 392 money of course).

We got in before the change of rules and got the full 7500. I also got credit for the charger - and installation (which I actually did myself, but tracked all parts and wiring used) That put it just a bit above the price of a fully loaded JLU 3.6 Sahara at that time. (ours is a fairly loaded Rubicon - minus the ACC due to parts availability)
It's a blast to drive.

 

[rhaney02]

Is this in general, or only related to Jeeps with turbos?

Because turbos in general have been proven reliable and safe for decades. Turbos rarely fail and they don't harm engines. People do.

Particularity Jeeps, although I would weigh my options with other vehicles.

 

[Jteakus]

I really did try to pick up a new Mojave in '41. It looks really good but after owning a JL and JT both with diesels I just couldn't do it.

 

[MattK]

I don't like any of these options. The issues for me are:
1) Cost. What options do not increase the already crazy, dare I say inaccessible, price of these Jeeps?
2) Reliability. Pentastar has probably been the most reliable of the motors, so far?
3) Torque. Something that doesn't need to be at 4k+ RPMs to realize its max torque. If you say diesel then, fine, but see 1 above.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I don't like any of these options. The issues for me are:
1) Cost. What options do not increase the already crazy, dare I say inaccessible, price of these Jeeps?
2) Reliability. Pentastar has probably been the most reliable of the motors, so far?
3) Torque. Something that doesn't need to be at 4k+ RPMs to realize its max torque. If you say diesel then, fine, but see 1 above.

The 5.7L has 0 of those issues. At least in the ram it was like a $3500 option and worth 3 times that easy. It was super reliable, and not having to work as hard to move a 5k+ pound vehicle I'd trust it over the pentastar. And the torque was there just above idle because v8.

 

[ScottBeach]

5.7 as an option on a willy's. A rear locker and a 5.7 would be a great starting point for any build. Don't lock it into high trims.

If they could offer a willys 5.7 for 45k they would have a big seller

 

[ShadowsPapa]

5.7 as an option on a willy's. A rear locker and a 5.7 would be a great starting point for any build. Don't lock it into high trims.

If they could offer a willys 5.7 for 45k they would have a big seller

Agreed - if they are going to do it, it's just as likely, maybe more likely, that it would be a choice of those not choosing the "X" packages and higher trims. People want it for the utility of it - towing, guts on the trail, etc. and that's where people are most likely to want or choose it - the trim levels under the most expensive. Add it to the lower cost levels, it would make it more affordable, and more likely to be put where it would be needed.

 

[Jeeper44mag]

I read about and talked to folks 'in the know' about 20 years ago. It was supposedly proven (I can't prove it), that the balance of an inline 6 is motive perfection. Harmonic perfection and otherwise. Better than a V anything or an inline 4. Better than a boxer. Therefore the Cummins diesel, and the AMC / Jeep / Ford / BMW / Toyota / GMC / etc inline sixes over the decades. And now the Stellantis.

Be well. Jeep on.

It is my understanding that an inline 6 (or a V12, which is two inline 6 cyls) is the only engine that *naturally* balances, and doesn't require some sort of additional balancing system to avoid shaking itself to death. Thus helping it to better longevity.

 

[Jeeper44mag]

We are wrapping up installing 30+ chargers across 3 sites. 350-450kW charges. That's 2-3 times as fast as the current tesla supercharger. That's adding 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes.

And all these sites will offer free electricity to make up for the increased cost of the vehicle, right? I suspect not.....

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