Less and less happy with "deal" - can I sell trade-in first?

[ShadowsPapa]

Just remember that just because they're priced at that amount, doesn't mean they'll sell at that amount. There's people just like you and I out there who negotiate that price down.

That's why my comment "gee, if they came down a grand" like if someone said I'll give you xxx" and they accepted, it's still over my price. So even if they negotiate down, it's still up there with or above mine.

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[surge101]

Actually - maybe for your area, but good clean used pickups in Iowa sell well - dealers send out cards saying they will simply buy your truck even if you don't trade because they have people looking. When I traded my 95 F250 for this Silverado - the truck was sold before I left - and I got my price plus a little bit. They wanted that truck. It's farm country - and there's a lot of contractors and construction outfits here that buy trucks used and new. I'll do more research, but when I find similar trucks to mine listed on dealer lots for 23,000 - knowing they'll likely go down some from that at times, it still indicates they'd sell mine for at least 4 grand more than they're giving me and it likely wouldn't be on their lot very long. It's Iowa - good clean used trucks sell.
I will look at all posts and advice here and check other places to get values so I don't end up fooling myself - but these guys were sticking to their guns from minute one on everything - this is what it costs, period. Even if they'd only sell my truck for 16 or 17 - it means they would only "discounted" that Jeep a grand or two. They gave me a line like "we only make 3 or 4 thousand per vehicle" sort of thing - now of that was the case no dealer in the country could sell for a discount let alone invoice or less.
Anyway - it would be doubtful that they'd end up taking this truck to auction..... not the way trucks sell here. I'm sure in parts of FL it's quite different.
But I will take the "advice" of some posts here and triple check before I go totally nuts on my Chevy - "get a second opinion" is wise in almost all things.

Well, you seem to have already set your mind to what you’re going to get on a trade for that truck, so if your knowledge tells you you can get what you want, all the power to you.

FWIW though, I think dealers will see your truck as both older and expensive. Two factors that are going make it sit on the lot for a bit, regardless of the area you’re in. If it was an 8 year old truck for 10-12k dollars it’s a different ball game, that’s going to sell quickly. As I said, for them to take the risk, they’re going to offer low in case it sits and in a lot of cases, regardless of area, a lot of dealerships don’t even try sell something that old on their lot, they’ll immediately send it to auction to flip.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well, you seem to have already set your mind to what you’re going to get on a trade for that truck, so if your knowledge tells you you can get what you want, all the power to you.

FWIW though, I think dealers will see your truck as both older and expensive. Two factors that are going make it sit on the lot for a bit, regardless of the area you’re in. If it was an 8 year old truck for 10-12k dollars it’s a different ball game, that’s going to sell quickly. As I said, for them to take the risk, they’re going to offer low in case it sits and in a lot of cases, regardless of area, a lot of dealerships don’t even try sell something that old on their lot, they’ll immediately send it to auction to flip.

Just not the case around here..... A local Chevy dealer lot has 2 2005s, a 2007, a 2009, a couple 2012s.......... You can't say "regardless of the area.........." because you'll see even NADA and KBB values vary wildly by location - even in this state. This is a pickup state. You see women in their 20s driving a full sized pickup to get groceries. They drive them to and from work in an office.
I've checked the big dealer lots - they keep good clean used trucks - and yes, I looked tonight - those years are accurate, in stock, only 15 minutes from me. Chevrolet dealer - one of the big ones with several locations.

Time will tell in my case - if these trucks didn't sell - NADA and KBB would have lower prices listed. They research actual sales - they don't guess. They go by what dealerships are paying and actual sales. So if you look up a vehicle, what NADA and KBB come back with is based on real life sales and prices paid by dealers if you watch their fine print.

 

[surge101]

Just not the case around here..... A local Chevy dealer lot has 2 2005s, a 2007, a 2009, a couple 2012s.......... You can't say "regardless of the area.........." because you'll see even NADA and KBB values vary wildly by location - even in this state. This is a pickup state. You see women in their 20s driving a full sized pickup to get groceries. They drive them to and from work in an office.
I've checked the big dealer lots - they keep good clean used trucks - and yes, I looked tonight - those years are accurate, in stock, only 15 minutes from me. Chevrolet dealer - one of the big ones with several locations.

Time will tell in my case - if these trucks didn't sell - NADA and KBB would have lower prices listed. They research actual sales - they don't guess. They go by what dealerships are paying and actual sales. So if you look up a vehicle, what NADA and KBB come back with is based on real life sales and prices paid by dealers if you watch their fine print.

Like I said man, if you can manage to get more on the trade, all the power to you. I do think you’re overestimating the demand for your truck and underestimating it in other places. Florida is one of the top sellers for Trucks, behind Texas. Even if everyone in your neighborhood is driving trucks, population matters. I don’t think your truck is going to sell significantly faster in Iowa then it will in Florida, and I don’t think your dealer is going to see an 8 year old vehicle and think they’re going to quickly sell it for 19-20k (which is what they’d need to do to warrant your wanted trade value)

Opinions are what they are, I hope you can get what you’re asking, but if it were me, I’d just sell it privately if I needed to get full value. I lost at least 4K trading in my car instead of selling it outright when I bought my gladiator, but it was worth it to me to not have to deal with the time of private sale.

 

[Bdubs Q]

Hey ShadowsPapa if you haven’t seen your private conversation check it out.

 

[smlobx]

I NEVER trade a vehicle in...

do a 250 mile search of dealers selling trucks like yours. Then have your truck professionally detailed ($2-400) and the offer it for sale about $1000 less than the dealers are asking.I did this on my last pick up and sold it in less than 24 hours.

you will come out several thousand dollars ahead.

Go see Spenchy who is an affiliated dealer on here and get ~5% below invoice...

if you do all of the above you will save between 5 - 10K off of the deal you were originally talking about...

Don’t be afraid to travel a bit to get the best deal...I’ve gone as far as Texas to buy a Porsche (from VA) and saved over $10,000!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Like I said man, if you can manage to get more on the trade, all the power to you. I do think you’re overestimating the demand for your truck and underestimating it in other places. Florida is one of the top sellers for Trucks, behind Texas. Even if everyone in your neighborhood is driving trucks, population matters. I don’t think your truck is going to sell significantly faster in Iowa then it will in Florida, and I don’t think your dealer is going to see an 8 year old vehicle and think they’re going to quickly sell it for 19-20k (which is what they’d need to do to warrant your wanted trade value)

Opinions are what they are, I hope you can get what you’re asking, but if it were me, I’d just sell it privately if I needed to get full value. I lost at least 4K trading in my car instead of selling it outright when I bought my gladiator, but it was worth it to me to not have to deal with the time of private sale.

LOL - maybe you missed something - all of this has been about selling it privately - That's why I'm comparing other asking prices to what NADA and KBB state about mine. I stopped way back near the beginning of this thread thinking I'd get a dealer to trade for what I needed - this was all about my selling it privately.
I know this dealer won't budge. But then they are tiny in used vehicles I've found out where the other dealerships Deery Bros, Karl and others - they have quite a few used trucks and not far off from mine. Some OLDER.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I NEVER trade a vehicle in...

do a 250 mile search of dealers selling trucks like yours. Then have your truck professionally detailed ($2-400) and the offer it for sale about $1000 less than the dealers are asking.I did this on my last pick up and sold it in less than 24 hours.

you will come out several thousand dollars ahead.

Go see Spenchy who is an affiliated dealer on here and get ~5% below invoice...

if you do all of the above you will save between 5 - 10K off of the deal you were originally talking about...

Don’t be afraid to travel a bit to get the best deal...I’ve gone as far as Texas to buy a Porsche (from VA) and saved over $10,000!

I've started the process of listing it on Craigslist - need better photos, but at least got an ad out. I've done a search of the dealers I know and my thinking is right about where most of them are at - on trucks with a lot more miles.
Agree on the detailing - like restoring a painting - it can more than pay for itself.
My thing is that now I'm almost 3 weeks into the wait. Starting over may mean another 8 weeks waiting, and with no pickup assuming mine sells within a week, I'm two months with no truck at all.
Will see - worth talking with him anyway. I have a printout of what I wanted so that part is easy. Just show him the list with all the codes. I think i would maybe add the aux switches though as I can already see a possible use for that. but no biggy on that item.

 

[Gatorized]

I don't know why you are still hung up on this bad trade with a poor deal on the new truck with a dealer that is just pissin' you off. Contct Motor Inn at Spirit Lake Iowa and get a good deal that will have you smiling again. Read the thread-
- https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...below-invoice-motor-inn-of-spirit-lake.15177/ - even if you lose your deposit you will be way ahead of where you are now.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't know why you are still hung up on this bad trade with a poor deal on the new truck with a dealer that is just pissin' you off. Contct Motor Inn at Spirit Lake Iowa and get a good deal that will have you smiling again. Read the thread-
- https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...below-invoice-motor-inn-of-spirit-lake.15177/ - even if you lose your deposit you will be way ahead of where you are now.

Uh, I'm not the one keeping it going - I have stated more than once that I'm listing my current truck, going to give it a shot to sell it outright.
Please check my post JUST before yours - I figured that was that - I said I was selling my truck, and I was going to contact the suggested person/place.
I've received private messages here about Motor Inn and had decided posts ago to at least get their opinion on what I might be able to get one for and the costs, wait time, and so on. I figured can't hurt to talk to them, get more info anyway.
I originally asked if selling my truck after ordering based on a verbal deal with a dealer would be an issue. That was answered - no problem at all - I could (and some said should) do it. It was decided I'd sell my truck privately. That pretty much settled things in my mind.

Now - assuming I sell my Chevy outright - I must decide - do I want to start the clock all over again being 3 weeks into the wait cycle (at least that, maybe more, by the time I get in contact with anyone else and things get rolling again) and potentially be without any truck at all for 8 weeks or more?
Time with no truck at all, starting the clock over again, among other factors to consider.

 

[Gatorized]

Give Motor Inn the option on the trade in as well - a better deal on the trade and a better deal on the price and you might drive your truck there when you pick up your new ride! Hope it all works out for you!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Give Motor Inn the option on the trade in as well - a better deal on the trade and a better deal on the price and you might drive your truck there when you pick up your new ride! Hope it all works out for you!

Thank you - not a bad idea. Like I said - second opinions are usually not a bad idea......
I had thought that if all else failed I could put my car hauler behind my WJ and drive it to a dealership, hook the car hauler to the Gladiator, drive the WJ onto the trailer, strap it down and look really cool hauling a Jeep with a Jeep....... but then the Gladiator wouldn't have a trailer brake controller so I guess that's out. Bummer. Man, always something LOL

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just to wrap this up since it appears still open-ended:
I ended up selling my Silverado - for a fair amount over what the dealer was "offering" for my trade-in. I sold my Silverado to a DEALER.
OK, so that meant no trade - and meant I'd have to pay the 5% tax on the original amount of my trade. No problem, the extra I got for selling it outright to another dealer covered that extra tax I'd owe plus still left me with more in the end.
I think I surprised the XXX out of them when they asked where my truck was and if I had the title with me and I said I don't have the title or the truck - I sold it. It was like ok, now what. I took that opportunity so suggest that ok, you indicated that you'd be taking a risk on my trade, you may not end up selling it, may not make anything, it may go to auction, you end up losing and all that BS - so I said - now that you don't have to risk anything at all on a trade - let's talk cash price on this thing............. I showed them what I could do elsewhere - showed them actual print-outs of other dealer prices and got them to come down on the price - got it for under MSRP.
So I upped what I got on my "trade" and got the price lowered. I sort of wonder if they were afraid I'd walk away and there they had this vehicle there..........
I was nice and didn't insist on a huge reduction, feeling good about making out better on my trade already, and they were close, and the vehicle was there and all - and the sales person did know his Jeeps, but in the end, I came out more where I wanted to be.
All turned out well. Between the sale of my Silverado and the sale of my Javelin, I came out with about 3/4 of what it took to pay for the thing.

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