Maybe selling the JRT, just poor service to fix issues.

[Levi.Butler]

Lugs are good. I actually told the dealership "If it shook this at lower speeds, I'd think the locker was on or it was stuck in 4wd". It's only really bad at higher speeds. At parking lot speeds, you cannot tell at all. At 35-40 you can tell it's not right but could think it was road or wind or something. At 55+ turns makes you nervous and you can feel it at all times.

In terms of modifications, I've got the 35x11.5r17 atiii, mid-bumper and Warn EVO10s. I have not taken the truck off-road yet (well, I drove down a graded forestry road once for a hike probably 2 miles total). Once hunting season starts, it would see more forestry roads and trails.

Edit- also, turning direction does not matter.

There has to be something loose.

Pittman Arm or Drag Link is what I would guess. They had to have had them apart in order to do the TSB as well.

You don't notice it as much when you're going straight because the wheels want to track straight... but when you take your front wheels off of that natural axis it's asking quite a bit from those joints to keep things going the direction you're asking for. This will be amplified the faster you are going because the rotational forces will be increased at higher speeds.

Just my guess... but that's definitely where I would start.

Sponsored

 

[Zilla]

Bad tire. Almost certainly.

 

[Xxtavixx]

Bad tire. Almost certainly.

Care to explain why?

 

[j.o.y.ride]

Also be sure to check the tread itself. Brad from Trail Recon had his bead separate from the tire in Mexico.

And check all the bolts along the axle and steering components.

 

[AmishMike]

I am thinking that the geometry is jumping around. Something loose.

 

[Xxtavixx]

Update: Dealership called, they went ahead and balanced them and think everything is good. They said it looked like my inside weights got ripped off by something. I'm wondering if when doing the TSB the tires got moved around and the stick on's got ripped off.

I'll pick it up tomorrow AM and see how it drives.

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

Update: Dealership called, they went ahead and balanced them and think everything is good. They said it looked like my inside weights got ripped off by something. I'm wondering if when doing the TSB the tires got moved around and the stick on's got ripped off.

I'll pick it up tomorrow AM and see how it drives.

You'll never be able to prove it, but I'd put money that the weights were fine. I of course have nothing to base this on, except working with shady advisors in the past. If they left something loose it pays nothing to the tech, its a bringback. If they say its the balance, tighten whatever was loose, balance the tires then the tech gets paid and the advisor makes commission instead of nothing. Wheels already off, remove the weights and 2 minutes a tire to balance. Main reason id say this is tires are my profession, never in 15 years in the business have I seen a vehicle be violently out of balance. Balance can be very felt, but you describe entire vehicle weight shifting and like a death wobble. Also if balance there is normally a speed it appears and disappears at. Example it vibrated above 25, shakes bad at 60, evens out over that is more of my personal experiance from customers with balance issues. Not a balance issue in my random internet guy opinion. If a tires was making that kind of issue it would be a broken belt, or severe cupping/chopping which develops over time and that is not repairable. Sadly though there would be no proof of this as long as they actually balance the tires after.

All that being said I see through jaded glass having been in that business for years. I wish I was more of a when in doubt trust someone isn't lying to you kind of person, but man that gets harder the older I get.

 

[redrider]

The tires are not the problem, the dealership folks are the problem.

 

[Xxtavixx]

You'll never be able to prove it, but I'd put money that the weights were fine. I of course have nothing to base this on, except working with shady advisors in the past. If they left something loose it pays nothing to the tech, its a bringback. If they say its the balance, tighten whatever was loose, balance the tires then the tech gets paid and the advisor makes commission instead of nothing. Wheels already off, remove the weights and 2 minutes a tire to balance. Main reason id say this is tires are my profession, never in 15 years in the business have I seen a vehicle be violently out of balance. Balance can be very felt, but you describe entire vehicle weight shifting and like a death wobble. Also if balance there is normally a speed it appears and disappears at. Example it vibrated above 25, shakes bad at 60, evens out over that is more of my personal experiance from customers with balance issues. Not a balance issue in my random internet guy opinion. If a tires was making that kind of issue it would be a broken belt, or severe cupping/chopping which develops over time and that is not repairable. Sadly though there would be no proof of this as long as they actually balance the tires after.

All that being said I see through jaded glass having been in that business for years. I wish I was more of a when in doubt trust someone isn't lying to you kind of person, but man that gets harder the older I get.

i didnt mention it earlier, but i was pretty confident it was a “oohh actually this pitman arm was loose...but we should balance these tires just in case...”

I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but i really cant see this being the tires out of balance.

typically i work on my own vehicles, this is a pretty unusual circumstance for me not to dig in. Had they not just done a TSB on the steering box, id have checked things out more.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Annoyances I've mentioned to them:
-The bluetooth vs phone vs radio volume

Welcome to cell phones, bluetooth, volume control, etc. - that may be an annoyance to you but it's not a defect if it's what I suspect you are referring to. Radio volume has zip to do with bluetooth/phone volume. You must set the latter when it's active. You can't turn the radio down and decrease phone volume.
It's that way on everything I've owned, including an Alpine stereo with bluetooth. Our phones frustrate my wife as she's got her game volume down but when she tries to listen to music on it, she can't hear it.
Don't blame the truck. That's a basic thing I've seen with other products - and it's an annoyance, not a defect.

Tires - yes. They can go bad at the drop of a hat. Do some research on tire reviews - I found a number of people who complained that after just about 5,000 miles a belt slipped, another said there was a sidewall issue, a 3rd said that one tire ended up where the dealer couldn't balance it. It would hold for a while then be out again (apparently things shifting inside but they should be able to find that, if nothing else, road force balancing)
Yes, tires can do random things, yes they can be fine and suddenly not be fine.
I'm not saying that IS your case, I'm suggesting you seem to be dismissing some things out of hand, maybe because of frustration.
I've been at this for a long time and I've seen some unbelievable things.

 

[Xxtavixx]

Welcome to cell phones, bluetooth, volume control, etc. - that may be an annoyance to you but it's not a defect if it's what I suspect you are referring to. Radio volume has zip to do with bluetooth/phone volume. You must set the latter when it's active. You can't turn the radio down and decrease phone volume.
It's that way on everything I've owned, including an Alpine stereo with bluetooth. Our phones frustrate my wife as she's got her game volume down but when she tries to listen to music on it, she can't hear it.
Don't blame the truck. That's a basic thing I've seen with other products - and it's an annoyance, not a defect.

Tires - yes. They can go bad at the drop of a hat. Do some research on tire reviews - I found a number of people who complained that after just about 5,000 miles a belt slipped, another said there was a sidewall issue, a 3rd said that one tire ended up where the dealer couldn't balance it. It would hold for a while then be out again (apparently things shifting inside but they should be able to find that, if nothing else, road force balancing)
Yes, tires can do random things, yes they can be fine and suddenly not be fine.
I'm not saying that IS your case, I'm suggesting you seem to be dismissing some things out of hand, maybe because of frustration.
I've been at this for a long time and I've seen some unbelievable things.

you understand the phone volume correctly, but mine does not seem to be independent. I had read some threads about how to adjust each and after trying it i secided rhe 8.4 uconnect may work that way but the 7 (or maybe mine) does not seem to

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

Welcome to cell phones, bluetooth, volume control, etc. - that may be an annoyance to you but it's not a defect if it's what I suspect you are referring to. Radio volume has zip to do with bluetooth/phone volume. You must set the latter when it's active. You can't turn the radio down and decrease phone volume.
It's that way on everything I've owned, including an Alpine stereo with bluetooth. Our phones frustrate my wife as she's got her game volume down but when she tries to listen to music on it, she can't hear it.
Don't blame the truck. That's a basic thing I've seen with other products - and it's an annoyance, not a defect.

Tires - yes. They can go bad at the drop of a hat. Do some research on tire reviews - I found a number of people who complained that after just about 5,000 miles a belt slipped, another said there was a sidewall issue, a 3rd said that one tire ended up where the dealer couldn't balance it. It would hold for a while then be out again (apparently things shifting inside but they should be able to find that, if nothing else, road force balancing)
Yes, tires can do random things, yes they can be fine and suddenly not be fine.
I'm not saying that IS your case, I'm suggesting you seem to be dismissing some things out of hand, maybe because of frustration.
I've been at this for a long time and I've seen some unbelievable things.

Sure tires can break like anything quickly. However you can’t remedy sudden tire failure. A broken belt can’t be mended, much less by balancing. Scalloping/cupping takes thousands of miles to develop and is rarely ever the tire at fault, it’s worn suspension components. Nothing like what he’s saying the symptoms are.

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

you understand the phone volume correctly, but mine does not seem to be independent. I had read some threads about how to adjust each and after trying it i secided rhe 8.4 uconnect may work that way but the 7 (or maybe mine) does not seem to

Satellite radio is by far the loudest in mine. Then radio, then Bluetooth, then CarPlay. Very different volume between them. CarPlay is noticeably quieter on my 7inch

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Sure tires can break like anything quickly. However you can’t remedy sudden tire failure. A broken belt can’t be mended, much less by balancing. Scalloping/cupping takes thousands of miles to develop and is rarely ever the tire at fault, it’s worn suspension components. Nothing like what he’s saying the symptoms are.

True but weights can come off.......
Cupping sounds like there's a bounce issue, shocks issue, out of balance tire. Scalloping sounds like toe may be way off. Would be nice to see the alignment numbers unless I missed them.

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

True but weights can come off.......
Cupping sounds like there's a bounce issue, shocks issue, out of balance tire. Scalloping sounds like toe may be way off. Would be nice to see the alignment numbers unless I missed them.

Very true, however the described symptom doesn’t sound like a fling weight. Not unless there was a 10oz weight on there at first and the tire was out of round to begin with. All I’m saying is my years processing warranty adjustment tires and being behind the counter has never shown me a person with that level of concern of control being balance related.

Sponsored