No Key - its it will still drive

[12BNNT]

I'm confused. What is the nanny tech that people are saying they want?

Is it that they want the vehicle to not shift to drive without the key near the ignition?

That’s what I’m getting from this.

Here my thought. It’s a catch 22. As it is, let’s say the battery on your fob goes dead. You can set it against the start button (or push the button with the fob) and start the car to get to the dealer or wherever to get the battery replaced (or home to your spare fob).
- plus side—- Working fob is not needed to drive the vehicle once started so your not stranded.
- down side — if you did like someone here in St Louis a few weeks ago (GC or JLU) and leave it running and unlocked while you run into the gas station it might not be there when you get back. Lol

alternative is making it like the one car my wife had. Got the car started letting it warm up while loading a bunch of stuff. Went to put it in drive and the engine shut down and wouldn’t restart. Showed no key. Can’t remember what happened to the fob in between the time she started the car and went to leave but I had to take her spare fob to her so she could drive. Wouldn’t run without.
-positive — if anyone had jumped in the car while she was inside, they wouldn’t have be going anywhere
- down side — she was stranded because the fob died.

To me.... I like having the push button start with the proximity entry. I put the fob in my pocket when I get dressed and never take it out. I can leave the truck run at the gas station while grabbing a soda, lock the door, and open it at the handle. Truck is secure. THAT SAID.... if I didn’t have the proximity entry, I could see it being a pain in the ass to dig out that fob to unlock the door and then put it back when I get in. At that point, you might as well use a regular key. Having to use it to open the door every time... I could see misplacing it (thinking you put it in your jacket pocket as you got in to later find out it was sitting on the ground in the parking lot where you dropped it - something my senile old butt would do - lol). The only advantage without the proximity is you can’t accidentally lock your keys in the car (I think).

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[Jeeperjamie]

oh but we sure do like the convenience of buttons don't we...the rfid push button start proximity stuff were solutions not to problems we had but options we wanted due to our laziness and always wanting easier and easier and easier, autonomy buttons are available now and people are dying because of them, humans are so smart sometimes and then beyond stupid other times...keyed ignition, direct driver control care and operation of vehicle, mechanical/physical link to a two ton death machine capable of 100 plus mph through public spaces(smart).....or a key that links to your vehicle by radio frequency that anyone can duplicate, care and control to ignition no longer in drivers control via mechancial/physical link(stupid)...all because it's convenient when it's cold out? all because people don't like fumbling with keys? how's that cab ride lol, hows that call your wife to bring your key lol

wow, not surprising wow, but wow what we do to fix problems we don't have and then have to fix exponentially more problems we need to when we get to smart for our own good, wtf is wrong with us?

and could not agree more with 'most men put keys in their pockets'...
'pants pockets!', how does an auto manufacturer not know this? rfid bricks are the worst and the jeeps the worst yet, stupid squared

what's faster than greased lightning? humans ability to lose; sight of the big picture, and common sense

Hey this, the crazy guy rant

 

[Epb1981]

I'm confused. What is the nanny tech that people are saying they want?

Is it that they want the vehicle to not shift to drive without the key near the ignition?

They want the car to disable if they take the keys with them. My post is about when that happens how they will complain they have to wait for a battery for their key fob to go anywhere lol

 

[TheITGuy]

A thread where people want more nanny tech. Cool. Not! Imagine if your battery on your key fob is low and you must press the key fob against the start button. But now because you wanted FCA to install another pointless nanny tech. You are stuck. Waiting for someone to bring you a new battery for your key fob.

A simple and inexpensive solution would be to put a second RFID reader in the fob slot between the cupholders. Put the dead fob in the slot, the truck "sees" the fob, and then you can drive wherever you need to go.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

A simple and inexpensive solution would be to put a second RFID reader in the fob slot between the cupholders. Put the dead fob in the slot, the truck "sees" the fob, and then you can drive wherever you need to go.

One of the perks of not having keyless entry. You can leave the key Fob in the jeep and still lock your doors. Just have to go get a key cut for the door

 

[jmdwifi]

My Indian motorcycle will beep a couple times if you ride off without the FOB, then shut off and the alarm will start beeping the horn and flashing lights. If you forget the fob or something, there is a code you can click through with the turn signal switch to start the bike. Rides fine if the code is used.

 

[12BNNT]

My Indian motorcycle will beep a couple times if you ride off without the FOB, then shut off and the alarm will start beeping the horn and flashing lights. If you forget the fob or something, there is a code you can click through with the turn signal switch to start the bike. Rides fine if the code is used.

My Harley with the security package did the same. Had the little fob with the barrel key. If you tried to start it without the fob you had to tap a sequence (code) in the turn signals to bypass the fob connection.
I guess adding a security code entry on the uconnect screen would be a way to allow the system to be non-drivable without the fob (shutdown at a touch of the pedals when no fob is present) but yet allow the driver to enter a code to bypass the system so they didn’t end up stranded like my wife did when her fob shot craps on her. (See post #31)

 

[Jt-wrx]

This thread is hilarious. So many suggestions of solutions to problems we never had before this idiotic 'convenience' of rfid push button start. I'm dying...

A guy nearly killed himself because of it, on just this thread!, it's happened lots more...people are trying to 'adapt' to this new bullshit that apparently solved a problem we never had. Some quoting coming up. Auto manufacturers...shame on you. Physical link from owner/operator to two ton death machine or it doesn't even start please...where in the fack did all our common sense go? Really, a radio frequency link is the way of the future here? Risk going up, liability being put in others hands, this is absolutely the dumbest shit ever.

Oh..."but i like it when i come back from a hike and don't have to find my keys in my backpack". You just burned 3000 calories climbing a mountain and you're whining about 1 more calorie to have 100% complete care and control over a two ton death machine? PEOPLE!!!!!

 

[Jt-wrx]

One of the perks of not having keyless entry. You can leave the key Fob in the jeep and still lock your doors. Just have to go get a key cut for the door

one more of 10 or 20 solutions we need to find for fixing the problem we never had in the first place

ok, who's next...

oh, and again, along comes crook, break window, push button and drive off with jeep to steel your shit elsewhere and get a free ride at the same time, wonderful

 

[Jt-wrx]

I left mine running unknowingly took the key in to my sons house left he called me said mom you left your keys here how are you driving I was like I don’t know turned around went back and got my keys was thankful I didn’t go somewhere and shut the engine off what a mess that would’ve been be careful folks!!!

How many stories like this out there in the universe that went exactly how it would have gone had you shut it off or stalled it.? Glad you didn't have to come up with a solution for this new problem in this instance. How many vehicles left running in garages? How much risk and liability has actually gone up because of this? How many cab rides, family member deliveries?

How much "lost time" to this wonderful solution to a problem we never had? What's your time worth?

 

[PyrPatriot]

I can't find the thread but there was a long discussion about this and someone posted a YouTube video with a guy in a Wrangler that did tests on how far you can go without the key fob. He even put the fob on a drone and went all over the place without it but as Soon as you turn it off your dead in the water without the key. My wife's Ford escape chimes and alerts as soon as it detects the key gone.

jeep will too

 

[Jt-wrx]

A simple and inexpensive solution would be to put a second RFID reader in the fob slot between the cupholders. Put the dead fob in the slot, the truck "sees" the fob, and then you can drive wherever you need to go.

And along comes crook breaks your window, hits the start button and drives off. Steal all your goodies from somewhere else and get a free ride to boot.

 

[jmdwifi]

This thread is hilarious. So many suggestions of solutions to problems we never had before this idiotic 'convenience' of rfid push button start. I'm dying...

A guy nearly killed himself because of it, on just this thread!, it's happened lots more...people are trying to 'adapt' to this new bullshit that apparently solved a problem we never had. Some quoting coming up. Auto manufacturers...shame on you. Physical link from owner/operator to two ton death machine or it doesn't even start please...where in the fack did all our common sense go? Really, a radio frequency link is the way of the future here? Risk going up, liability being put in others hands, this is absolutely the dumbest shit ever.

Oh..."but i like it when i come back from a hike and don't have to find my keys in my backpack". You just burned 3000 calories climbing a mountain and you're whining about 1 more calorie to have 100% complete care and control over a two ton death machine? PEOPLE!!!!!

Actually, the purpose of this thread was to see if you would respond with a really long rant. They gotcha brother.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

one more of 10 or 20 solutions we need to find for fixing the problem we never had in the first place

ok, who's next...

oh, and again, along comes crook, break window, push button and drive off with jeep to steel your shit elsewhere and get a free ride at the same time, wonderful

Better than carrying around that huge Key Fob. I'll take the risk

 

[jebiruph]

This thread is hilarious. So many suggestions of solutions to problems we never had before this idiotic 'convenience' of rfid push button start. I'm dying...

A guy nearly killed himself because of it, on just this thread!, it's happened lots more...people are trying to 'adapt' to this new bullshit that apparently solved a problem we never had. Some quoting coming up. Auto manufacturers...shame on you. Physical link from owner/operator to two ton death machine or it doesn't even start please...where in the fack did all our common sense go? Really, a radio frequency link is the way of the future here? Risk going up, liability being put in others hands, this is absolutely the dumbest shit ever.

Oh..."but i like it when i come back from a hike and don't have to find my keys in my backpack". You just burned 3000 calories climbing a mountain and you're whining about 1 more calorie to have 100% complete care and control over a two ton death machine? PEOPLE!!!!!

Vehicles that had a physical security key (all of them for the last 20 years?) still had an RFID chip that was detected through an antenna around the lock cylinder. And when you turn the key in the lock cylinder, it is moving a rod that activates an electrical ignition switch. Now you just directly push the electrical switch and eliminate the mechanical bits in between. The problem it solves is the mechanical failure of the lock cylinder, which is a problem that's caused some accidents.

It's the proximity feature (not RFID) that seems to be causing the issues and I think the proximity feature is a big improvement.

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