Should I switch from a JL 4xe to a JT Mojave?

[ShadowsPapa]

LOL your great grandfather said nothing will ever replace the horse, a few years later it was 'steam, it's the future'.

The 4xe actually feels more planted due to the weight being down low. Ride is GREAT! Better than a 3.6 JLU Rubicon would be. Torque from 0 onward.
In max regen, it's nice going down steep inclines or down hills in heavy traffic - you don't need the brakes much at all. In fact, through the heavy traffic around Atlanta, etc. - brakes were not used a lot.

Jeep 4Xe on Metal Masher Trail. 4Xe wrangler rubicon offroad. (youtube.com)



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[bleda2002]

LOL your great grandfather said nothing will ever replace the horse, a few years later it was 'steam, it's the future'.

The 4xe actually feels more planted due to the weight being down low. Ride is GREAT! Better than a 3.6 JLU Rubicon would be. Torque from 0 onward.
In max regen, it's nice going down steep inclines or down hills in heavy traffic - you don't need the brakes much at all. In fact, through the heavy traffic around Atlanta, etc. - brakes were not used a lot.

Jeep 4Xe on Metal Masher Trail. 4Xe wrangler rubicon offroad. (youtube.com)



The 4xe Jeep Wrangler Has Changed My Mind About Hybrids! Test Drive at Easter Jeep Safari 2022 (youtube.com)

On our trip back from pigeon forge we went through the Great Smoky Mountain National Park and on the downhill side in max regen I gained 63% battery while only occassionally having to hit the accelerator because the max regen brakes were too strong lol.

 

[Minty JL]

Test drive a Mojave, the truck will sell itself.

I ordered my '22 Mojave in August 2022 and I have loved every minute and mile of it

 

[maSS-hole]

Mojave was my second choice. It wasn’t my first choice because they don’t make a diesel Mojave. The diesel has all the torque I need to do whatever I need to do, and I’ve got a truck bed. The JT is definitely a love it or hate it rig, and I’m not sure how much longer they’re going to keep making them, so I’m doing my best to hang onto this one. Wranglers are on every corner, Gladiators aren’t as abundant in my area.

Apparently until 2025 because someone at Jeep stated they would be doing a 4xe Gladiator for MY25.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

On our trip back from pigeon forge we went through the Great Smoky Mountain National Park and on the downhill side in max regen I gained 63% battery while only occassionally having to hit the accelerator because the max regen brakes were too strong lol.

I noticed on our trip through extreme traffic in the mountains - range increased, and we used no gas. Max regen is nice as a brake saver in those cases, and puts some of the energy back that it took to get up that mountain to begin with.

Note those poo-pooing have never driven one, or have no real-life experience, based it only on internet hate.

 

[BearFootSam]

You have to be honest with yourself about the use case. For us the bed and the towing capacity were a must. Beyond payload, having a separate cargo area to keep cargos like fuels, water, construction materials, is a huge benefit. You aren't coming home with sheets of plywood, cinder blocks and a few gas cans in a JLU, while the JT is great for that. On the other hand, it's a heavy, inefficient truck, even though it is relatively svelte dimensionally compared to a full-size truck.

The other arena that the JT shines is overlanding/camping. A RTT is going to ride much better above the bed, below roof height compared to the same over the roof on a JLU. Within payload limits the JT is going to offer a lot more usable space for longer trips.

Unless these benefits are worth the heavy financial penalty of switching to the JT I'd advocate buying a beater truck for truck work and holding out until you need to replace the JLU. The JT is a fantastic vehicle but they aren't cheap and in many respects not a great value just to do basic truck stuff. But, if you need a truck that can also do Jeep things, you have one choice, the jeep truck.

 

[Glad23]

This is my second Gladiator (long story). The Mojave is a great truck but don't expect the EPA sticker mileage. I track every fill up and get 17 MPG on a good day.

 

[Rocksalt]

Hello. New to this forum. Here to pose a question to JT owners.

I currently own a 21 JLU 4xe Rubicon. Factory ordered at 5% below invoice in March 2021. Paid under $45k after my $7,500 tax credit. A deal I’ll never be able to replicate thanks to the seemingly weekly price increases from Jeep. 42,000 miles on it. I’ve got a MOPAR Max Care warranty to take me to 2028 or 100,000 miles. Which is when they project the next Wrangler & Gladiator models to come out

I’m currently dealing with the hybrid battery recall and am not able to charge my Jeep. I’m working with Jeep Wave and am hopeful they will give me a rental soon but I’m not holding my breath. I’m not supposed to park near other vehicles or buildings, which is unrealistic. I drive around 50-80 miles a day for work so not being able to charge has made a big difference on my MPG. Thankfully, I get reimbursed for mileage. Currently averaging around 19MPG. I realize this is about what I’ll get in a JT.

I’m very tempted by the incentives on the 2023 Gladiators. More specially a Mojave. Plenty in stock near me for 20% below MSRP before any other negotiations. I’m hopeful that the incentives will get even better in the coming weeks. I would like the versatility of having a small truck bed, but I’m only really considering at this point because of my hybrid battery recall and because the prices have dropped so much on the 23 Gladiators.

I’m here in hopes that some people will talk some sense into me and tell me I shouldn’t be considering the switch. Prior to my recall and these tempting prices, my plan was to hold onto my Wrangler until 2028/100k miles and by that point I’d probably look into upgrading. I also know I’ll likely be kicking myself when the 4xe Gladiators come out next year… but I doubt they’ll be reasonably priced.

Any input is appreciated.

yes you should

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Apparently until 2025 because someone at Jeep stated they would be doing a 4xe Gladiator for MY25.

I really think they will use the 3.6 Pentastar set up coming . Not the 4xE

 

[Rubiron]

I really think they will use the 3.6 Pentastar set up coming . Not the 4xE

According to Jeep all of their vehicles will have an electric/hybrid option by 2025

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I really think they will use the 3.6 Pentastar set up coming . Not the 4xE

They've had the 3.6 since 2020 model year.................
4xe simply means PHEV, doesn't define the engine used along the hybrid parts. They could use an I6 and call it 4xe because it's 4 by e, or 4 by electric (a play on 4 by 4)

Count on a PHEV option for 2025. I'll be checking in with my sales guy now and then and if they get something in, I'll be out for a test drive (and be frustrated because I can't afford it, only look at it) Whether or not it maintains the 4xe moniker, who knows, but why wouldn't it? 4xe doesn't say "2.0 turbo I4" anywhere.

I've told my wife after our JLU 4xe experiences when she asked if I'd ever trade my current JT in again on anything - I said if they come out with a hybrid like the 4xe she has, I'll at least be asking for a test drive and getting more information. It's a way to get more torque for towing into a JT and stick with CAFE numbers.

They have the 3.6 Etorque setup already, a mild hybrid, smooth as silk. Just not in the JT (where to put the battery for that is likely one thing, and all of the certifications, evaporative emissions testing and reports any time they move or change a fan or the movement of air in and through a vehicle...............

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

They've had the 3.6 since 2020 model year.................
4xe simply means PHEV, doesn't define the engine used along the hybrid parts. They could use an I6 and call it 4xe because it's 4 by e, or 4 by electric (a play on 4 by 4)

Count on a PHEV option for 2025. I'll be checking in with my sales guy now and then and if they get something in, I'll be out for a test drive (and be frustrated because I can't afford it, only look at it) Whether or not it maintains the 4xe moniker, who knows, but why wouldn't it? 4xe doesn't say "2.0 turbo I4" anywhere.

I've told my wife after our JLU 4xe experiences when she asked if I'd ever trade my current JT in again on anything - I said if they come out with a hybrid like the 4xe she has, I'll at least be asking for a test drive and getting more information. It's a way to get more torque for towing into a JT and stick with CAFE numbers.

They have the 3.6 Etorque setup already, a mild hybrid, smooth as silk. Just not in the JT (where to put the battery for that is likely one thing, and all of the certifications, evaporative emissions testing and reports any time they move or change a fan or the movement of air in and through a vehicle...............

They just announced the Ram paired with the 3.6 as a hybrid back in November or December . My understanding is this is a different version of that where the gas engine charges the battery they use to turn the wheels. I think we are talking about 2 different engines. If you google it you will see posts from 2023 saying it's new

 

[ShadowsPapa]

They just announced the Ram paired with the 3.6 as a hybrid back in November or December . My understanding is this is a different version of that where the gas engine charges the battery they use to turn the wheels. I think we are talking about 2 different engines. If you google it you will see posts from 2023 saying it's new

Yeah, my dealer told me about that coming out. He was "intrigued" as to how it worked.
It would be more like an "electromotive" train engine - electric drive, power coming from the diesel engines, making it efficient and crazy torque from a dead stop.

So will there be a 4xe, or will it be the RAM version of a PHEV with over 100 miles of electric range and the 3.6 as a backup?

There's a huge problem facing FCA on the JT version - 17kWh batteries as opposed to 70 kWh batteries!
There's barely space to put 17 kWh of battery in a Wrangler - where are you going to put many times that, 70 worth, in a compact truck? A full size truck it's not that hard to find the space - there's a whole lot of wasted space on them, but the JT?
If the JT was a 4xe with the existing 17 kWh of battery pack, you'd lose all of your underseat storage - ALL OF IT, and some of the behind the seat storage as the batteries would poke back there as well (look at the cargo area of a 4xe JLU - there's a sort of "step" back there below the folding seat backs and the seats can't fold down nicely at all - so much for folding seats down and sleeping in the back of a JLU......)
There isn't that space in a JT so you give up all of the under seat and part of the behind the seat storage just for 17 kWh.
Where do you put 70 kWh of batteries in a JT, maintain the payload rating because now you are talking batteries weighing the full payload of some Gladiators.
Nice for a RAM, but for a JT?
Not saying impossible, but surely a crazy engineering feat.

 

[Solar Sparky]

I agree with so many people, that my Mojave is my favorite truck. So much exploring to do where you can’t charge your electric car. All electric vehicles have great torque, just not for long, or in cold weather, or towing. Overlanding? Mojave! I know how bad the electric grid really is, so I’m taking a hard pass on electric anything I can.

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