So I got a spare pcm…now hawhat tooo dooo

[Glad_he_ate]

So ya see I obviously wish at some point to tune my truck. But I’m only at 33k so it’ll be a while. The question is who do I go with ? Gde is obviously the best compliant tune I know of. But there is also the option of going north of the border and going stage two. I see a couple places up there offering up the same hp and tq gains as Gde while also getting rid of the extra weight I’m carrying around.
I prefer this not turn into a pissing match with a bunch of “your going to get a big fine “ and “the epa is going to come for you” and all the other back and fourth bs. I appreciate your concerns, and I’m already aware of the “risks”

What the real question is, is that how much better is one for you powertrain then the other ?? Gde? Eco diesel owners Canada? Motor ops ? Sft??
Obviously if I go north I go delete if I stay state side I go clean. Thoughts on all the above? Any I’m not including that I should ?? Anyone that has experience with the listed tunes care to share ? Also no politics one way or the other but is there anything in the new big bad spending climate bill that I should read ?? “Related to this topic” ?? Please keep it non bias as I want this thread to stay open. Please I asked real nice like lol.
Aaannnddd go!!

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[rharr]

you being ny you have state inspections every year? (they did 25 years ago when i lived there) you may get dinged if you have stuff setup in a way that is not OEM. Don't know if your county does smog tests but if they do, having things modified may make it difficult especially if a OBD tool is used.

If you are running a backup ECU for the special occasions then you need to have your other systems swappable back to OEM. Which means block off plates that are easily removable.

Basically it comes down to how much un-f---cking can you tolerate if you need it to be OEM.

GDE has the least amount trouble with good benefits. The northern stuff gets rid of a lot of junk but you then have to play games for local rules and warranty.

My thought is GDE for when warranty is up because it's not worth the games to meet local laws for me.

 

[Rusty PW]

Like rharr said. If you have emissions inspections. Go with GDE. If not, north of the border, MRTuning. Delete time.

 

[Glad_he_ate]

We have inspections however no smog. Long as you don’t have a cel good to go. Shit loads of deleted trucks in my area. I dealt with the un-fucking of my zr2 when I traded it in and it was a bit of added cost being that I payed to have the Nannie’s reinstalled at the dealer. Had to buy a new nox sensor for the down pipe cuz I had to cut it to take the old one out. One of my main reasons for leaning delete is sound. Call me a hillbilly redneck if ya like lol but I like the sound of the truck breathing ?‍?. Dpf takes all that away.. idk we will see.

 

[Keith Diesel]

Is sound your number one goal? For most folks the goals are fuel economy, less turbo lag, improved performance and cleaner engine oil. The Green Diesel Engineering tuning outperforms the illegal tunes on all of these metrics. If exhaust note is primary driver, we cannot help you there. The combustion sound is a bit more prevalent with GDE tune due to changes in pilot injection events, many customers seem to like the engine sound. If you have a spare pcm, might as well tune it now and enjoy.

 

[Rusty PW]

Is sound your number one goal? For most folks the goals are fuel economy, less turbo lag, improved performance and cleaner engine oil. The Green Diesel Engineering tuning outperforms the illegal tunes on all of these metrics. If exhaust note is primary driver, we cannot help you there. The combustion sound is a bit more prevalent with GDE tune due to changes in pilot injection events, many customers seem to like the engine sound. If you have a spare pcm, might as well tune it now and enjoy.

I take it that you work for GDE?

 

[Glad_he_ate]

Is sound your number one goal? For most folks the goals are fuel economy, less turbo lag, improved performance and cleaner engine oil. The Green Diesel Engineering tuning outperforms the illegal tunes on all of these metrics. If exhaust note is primary driver, we cannot help you there. The combustion sound is a bit more prevalent with GDE tune due to changes in pilot injection events, many customers seem to like the engine sound. If you have a spare pcm, might as well tune it now and enjoy.

Is sound my number 1? No. But I do like it, my number one is better performance and I’m aware your Gde tune is a great tune and I’m well aware of the Gde issues with deletes and what drives the company to push against deleting. Ya got hit hard, really hard… can you pm me or post up here what effects can be expected in terms of egts ? Towing oil temps ? Can you or have they adjusted the temperature at which the fan kicks on so it comes on sooner to get ahead of the high oil temps ? Ratios of pre to post dpf egr usage ? I’m sure there are many who’ll like to know ! You certainly have a good reputation and if I go that route I’d love to help further that reputation. Any real details on what effects outside of performance gains would be good information for the masses. As far as your trans tune I read here someplace a guy was having issues with low speed cold fluid shifts. Said his truck would rev high for quite a while before shifting in cold temps, has this been addressed? Is it there for a reason? If so what is the reason? If you wish to not post up the answers here and wish to keep it off line you can pm me and I’ll leave it at that. But I’m sure the guys here would like to read it.

 

[Keith Diesel]

Technically, we have not yet been hit by EPA, but still in negotiations with them for 3+ years. Once they dig in, hard to break free.
Oil temps and EGT are not changed with GDE tune vs. stock. We keep the factory safety limits for coolant, oil and exhaust gas temps. It will pull fuel out when the limits are reached and vehicle slows down. The fan strategy is set to factory calibration, there was not much to be gained by running the fan more aggressively. The cooling issues on the Jeep platform are due to poor packaging that does not promote good air flow through cooling stack. A good fix for this would be an air to water intercooler, larger radiator and eliminate stock air to air intercooler. GDE uses much more low pressure EGR in normal operating conditions to minimize internal engine build-up of contaminants. High pressure is mainly used for first few minutes to help warm engine quicker. The trans tune was modified early on based on customer feedback, we have not had any complaints with it in the last 8 months. In cold warm-up the trans will hold lower gear and less lock-up in order to warm up trans fluid quicker. This helps fuel economy.

 

[Glad_he_ate]

Seriously appreciate the feedback. I need to make an appointment to get my pcm cloned so I’m not down without my truck for the time it takes to send out and get it back.

 

[@californiajeeping]

The ecu cloning crap is terrible. Why cant the canadian tuners just do a flash tune with HP tuners?

They could easily convert the cell values from MR tuning to HP tuners and then we dont need to deal with all that.

That is the only reason im still using a banks derringer vs a real tune is im not up for shipping my ecu out.

 

[Glad_he_ate]

The ecu cloning crap is terrible. Why cant the canadian tuners just do a flash tune with HP tuners?

They could easily convert the cell values from MR tuning to HP tuners and then we dont need to deal with all that.

That is the only reason im still using a banks derringer vs a real tune is im not up for shipping my ecu out.

I believe it’s a vin security issue. Idk for sure but this is why I bought a send one. I’ll have it cloned at the dealer for “Spare parts on the trail” and then send out the clone and keep the stock pcm stock. Idk the difference between the Mopar coding and say gm or ford. I know I flashed my duramax at home with a flashcal. It took minutes of my time. And was easy as pie. @Keith Diesel any input as to why we have to send them out for bench flash rather then obd2 flash??

 

[Keith Diesel]

The ecu cloning crap is terrible. Why cant the canadian tuners just do a flash tune with HP tuners?

They could easily convert the cell values from MR tuning to HP tuners and then we dont need to deal with all that.

That is the only reason im still using a banks derringer vs a real tune is im not up for shipping my ecu out.

Even with HP Tuner tool you will need to mail out the PCM to have it unlocked. The stock ecm settings do no allow for OBD flashing due to signature encryption.

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