MarineHawk
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Dang, how did you already get that installed?
That says it won't even arrive until Nov. 14 - 19.
Wait, I bet you got the Premium Max Time-Travel feature.
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Dang, how did you already get that installed?
Am I missing something? It's February 2020.Dang, how did you already get that installed?
That says it won't even arrive until Nov. 14 - 19.
Wait, I bet you got the Premium Max Time-Travel feature.
same for meI ordered a sport max tow. The payload was the deciding factor.
Some of what he says is illogical to me. He says if you have an 1,100 lb payload capacity, and IF you have 700 lbs of people and 100 lbs of gear in the back, you have only 300 lbs of payload left, which means you then have only 300 lbs of payload/tongue weight left to pull a 3,000 lb trailer.This is an interesting vid talking about payload and Sport S vs. Rubi
6'2 250lb man, 5'11 150lb wife, two teenage boys at 150lbs each is 700lbs, as an example. As for the "100lbs of gear in the back", for me that would be about 50lbs of recovery gear plus rifle, mags, fire extinguisher, and water inside the cab. So without my Max Tow I have 300lbs of payload left. With my max tow I have 750lbs of payload, meaning I can have near the full 7650lbs of towing if I needed. Now I know, what about the weight in the vehicle taking away from towing performance? The towing limitation is based on weight, cooling being the thing to overcome. The rating is under the SAE J2870 standard of towing determination (revised in 2016 and again in 2020, for what it's worth, interesting to note but I don't know the difference because I'm not paying $83 to access the publication https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j2807_202002/)Some of what he says is illogical to me. He says if you have an 1,100 lb payload capacity, and IF you have 700 lbs of people and 100 lbs of gear in the back, you have only 300 lbs of payload left, which means you then have only 300 lbs of payload/tongue weight left to pull a 3,000 lb trailer.
Correct.
But you could just throw the 100 lbs of gear into the trailer instead of the back of the truck, and then you would have 400 lbs of payload/tongue weight available to haul a 4,000 lb trailer.
In any event, I’m glad my family doesn’t weigh 700 lbs.
Yea man that is what I been looking at and hoping in a few months all goes well; I can get out from under all this Harvey Flood mess I will be able to Jump into a Gobi JT (Although I have been wavering a bit on the Firecracker Red). How's the Soft top working out.Sport S Max Tow
So far so good! Remarkably quiet up until about 70mph!Yea man that is what I been looking at and hoping in a few months all goes well; I can get out from under all this Harvey Flood mess I will be able to Jump into a Gobi JT (Although I have been wavering a bit on the Firecracker Red). How's the Soft top working out.
A key difference is payload.I was going to go Sport S max tow, but bought a Rubicon instead. A few things to remember with regards to towing and payload:
If you throw larger tires and a lift on your max tow, you are really no longer at the same ratings as stock. Yes tires are unsprung weight, but the diameter difference effectively changes your gear ratio, which does affect tow and payload capacity. Tire weight also does have an affect- it is rotational mass, and requires more engine power to get it moving (once up to speed not as much of a difference). Others have argued that tires and lifts dont affect towing and payload because they are unsprung weight- that is simply not correct. Essentially if you take a max tow and add the tires etc... of a rubicon like so many do right off the lot that door placard is no longer accurate. If Jeep could have rated the Rubicon to tow 7650 with 33” tires they would have done it.
My reasons for going Rubicon were actually financial. Yes you can add tires, lift and aftermarket leather for less than the up charge of the rubicon. But once you get into lockers and sway disco you will spend far more than the rubicon up charge. The rubicons equipment is fully warrantied, aftermarket will not be. Rubicon resale will be higher. You will never get your money back from modifying a Sport S max tow- you would likely be better off taking all the parts off and selling them outright and then selling the vehicle stock.
Nothing wrong with the max tow, but its certainly not the end all be all of the JT.
But if you add tires and a lift, new shocks etc...then what is the difference? I understand the door placard will show higher payload, but once you modify the truck like a Rubicon that placard is no longer accurate, sure if you get stopped and weighed it might save a ticket, but as far as the real capability of the truck goes I dont think you are gaining much.A key difference is payload.
Essentially: if you want more Jeep: rubicon. If you want more truck: max tow
Looks awesome- did you apply the hood decal? If so how difficult was it?Love mine