Strike has begun

[AustinL911]

If folks want to understand what is actually taking place from a global demographic perspective, simply read or watch some of Peter Zeihan's works. He is a Geopolitical Strategist and is a global energy, demographic and security expert.

Love that guy. Watch his vids everyday and keep meaning to pick up his books.

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[ecidiego]

Please - no one get banned. These threads always cause us to lose members.

2/2 points crew checking in.

 

[KC_H]

We have way more open positions than workers in this country

People don't know how screwed we actually are. The only thing keeping us afloat is immigration, our birth rate is about 2.3 (and dropping) barely a replacement rate.

China is done, their birth rate is way less than 2 and South Korea's rate is less than one.

As time moves on we will have less and less workers and more open positions. The demographic pyramid is upside down...

 

[Sdsteph]

Well no shit, what else are they supposed to do?



This is what companies say every single time. Is there any truth to this? I'm trying to Google it, but that's proving difficult because all the returns are just news articles of yesterday's strike. First significant find is this research paper from 2003. Haven't read the whole thing, but in the abstract they say "little or no union effect on business dislocation rates."

The Union legacy costs is what really drove GM to bankruptcy and government bailout in 2009

 

[AustinL911]

People don't know how screwed we actually are. The only thing keeping us afloat is immigration, our birth rate is about 2.3 (and dropping) barely a replacement rate.

China is done, their birth rate is way less than 2 and South Korea's rate is less than one.

As time moves on we will have less and less workers and more open positions. The demographic pyramid is upside down...

IMO, this has been needing to happen for awhile now; call it our Fourth Turning.

Medicare/Medicaid is a pyramid scheme that is failing due to population decline. Same with SS. I'm convinced that's why the retards in charge are so hung up on open borders; they need the tax revenue (and votes...) to keep this whole scheme afloat lest they look bad.

Rip the bandaid off. Let's get this over with.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

The Union legacy costs is what really drove GM to bankruptcy and government bailout in 2009

The UAW made concessions at that time on pay and other things, too, right? I see you're from MI, so I assume you have more knowledge than me on the subject, but quick research shows that they made concessions then, which is part of what they're trying to get back now (and more, obviously).

 

[Alpine Warthog]

Well no shit, what else are they supposed to do?

Unions are SUPPOSED to be there to serve the members. Thing is that the people that run the unions aren't workers, or they were at one point (RARE) but have forgotten where they came from.
It's a position that attracts the power hungry and greedy. Unions normally devolve into the people at the top raking in enormous (and ridiculous) salaries and the people at the bottom that don't show and don't work are being protected from firing. Lost members are lost dues and in a time where companies are trying to keep payrolls as small as possible, a lot of times they don't hire a replacement. That alone incentivises unions to protect the lazy and unwilling. Teacher's union anyone?

This is what companies say every single time. Is there any truth to this? I'm trying to Google it, but that's proving difficult because all the returns are just news articles of yesterday's strike. First significant find is this research paper from 2003. Haven't read the whole thing, but in the abstract they say "little or no union effect on business dislocation rates."

If you're having a hard time finding stuff, try out duckduckgo.com
Google gets lazy and only returns the top websites and their algorithms are developed to push certain narratives from approved sources. You gotta dig to page 8 of results to find anything that's outside the normal GIGO results

 

[Dick]

We are in the beginning of a major transition in the auto industry.
Elon Musk has shown that with true innovation vehicles can be made more cheaply and better. The big 3 automakers have sat on their collective fat a$$es for decades and not really invested in true innovation.
They are now scrambling to catch up and as a result are having to pour billions into upgrading their manufacturing process including using more robotics (and therefore eliminating some jobs) as well as shifting to electrification (good or bad).

The Union is trying to claw back to the good ole’ days when in fact many of the workers will be out of a job in 5 years or so. In fact, if the Union gets their way the big 3 may go bankrupt by then.

I will say that the top tier of auto executives are getting paid outrageous sums and stupid bonuses even when their companies are not doing well. Performance bonuses are a joke at that level.

Thanks for the pep talk ?

 

[KC_H]

Love that guy. Watch his vids everyday and keep meaning to pick up his books.

Yeah, he is amazing (and his analysis is completely in line with other demographers), that we are completely screwed.

Another amazing channel is Chris Williamson, he interviews some heavy hitters (and some not so much) but the discussion is great (some of the interviews are over 3hrs).

 

[KC_H]

The Union legacy costs is what really drove GM to bankruptcy and government bailout in 2009

That and crappy vehicles that no one wanted...

Another example of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses, if one is truly a supporter of free market capitalism, we should have let them go under and let them market sort it out. But apparently they were too big to fail...

Ps. I intend to keep all political commentary out of my discussion, the facts are plenty entertaining.

 

[Sdsteph]

The UAW made concessions at that time on pay and other things, too, right? I see you're from MI, so I assume you have more knowledge than me on the subject, but quick research shows that they made concessions then, which is part of what they're trying to get back now (and more, obviously).

Concessions were better than plants closing and everyone hitting the unemployment lines. Would the union leaders take care of them if they all lost their jobs? The unions are at it again and it will have the same consequences.

 

[ErylFlynn]

This is a tough one, they shot the price of the vehicles up ALOT and did not raise the pay. Honestly they should raise the pay inline with the increase of the price of the vehicles they are selling. They might be shooting low considering the MSRP we are seeing lately.

 

[KC_H]

IMO, this has been needing to happen for awhile now; call it our Fourth Turning.

Medicare/Medicaid is a pyramid scheme that is failing due to population decline. Same with SS. I'm convinced that's why the retards in charge are so hung up on open borders; they need the tax revenue (and votes...) to keep this whole scheme afloat lest they look bad.

Rip the bandaid off. Let's get this over with.

Medicare/Medicaid/SS are all based on the premise that we have a relatively small older population and a much larger group of workers to drive the economy and to support the small group of older people. This worked great when the average birth rate per woman was between 4 and 5 children.

As the birth rate dropped, in the US to about 2.3 ish (and dropping), China between 1 and 2, Russia is less than China, South Korea is 0.8. Several thing begin to happen, there are not enough incoming new workers to drive the economy and not enough to support the social structure of supporting older retired folks. At around 65 years old, consumption drops at least in half, maybe more, so when the largest demographic is now people between 60 and dead the GDP begins to drop.

Once a country has dropped below replacement birthrate it is a vicious cycle and it never recovers, there are less people to have babies and those babies are having less babies as they mature.

The only short term fix is immigration, which is a zero sum game. Immigration props up the working age adults in one country but decimates it in another.

This is a global issue it is not a political issue with political solutions. We are going to have to figure out how to make our economy work in a world with an inverted population pyramid.

If you rip the bandaid off the carnage will be unbelievable. Homlessness, starvation, disease...

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Unions served their purpose way back when companies truly took advantage of the workers with company towns and company stores, child labor, slave wages, horrific working conditions and safety conditions. With child labor and overtime laws, OSHA and most importantly the ability for the average person to decide where they want to work, the unions don't really serve any legit purpose.

Change my mind...

The average person can't decide where they want to work, because healthcare I'm this country is tied to your job, and everyone sitting on a mortgage can't afford to move due to interest rates.

OSHA doesn't do anything, and none of this is about overtime or child labor. It's about increasing wages with the cost of living.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

Unions are SUPPOSED to be there to serve the members. Thing is that the people that run the unions aren't workers, or they were at one point (RARE) but have forgotten where they came from.
It's a position that attracts the power hungry and greedy. Unions normally devolve into the people at the top raking in enormous (and ridiculous salaries) and the people at the bottom that don't show and don't work are being protected from firing. Lost members are lost dues and in a time where companies are trying to keep payrolls as small as possible, a lot of times they don't hire a replacement. That alone incentivises unions to protect the lazy and unwilling. Teacher's union anyone?

Oh I didn't realize that's the angle they meant. I agree, corporate unions often lose the plot.

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