The engine

[bruno747]

Do you want a different truck? Or do you want the best off road truck? Selling the Gladiator is the first step, more Jeep trucks will come. The truck their selling is the best we can get for what its made for. Have some decency

What am I missing here? How is the inability to fit something not the fault of the group that designed the jl/jt platform from the ground up?

CAFE? No that can't be it or half the SRT vehicles that came out in the last couple years wouldn't have been acceptable.

Emissions? No that can't be it either or the demon never would have made it nor would the Durango 392. Neither would the diesel which is lately the most notriously hard to meet option.

Crash Tests? Well that's kinda in their court again. Government didn't mandate that FCA couldn't make the bay larger to accommodate energy dissipation.

Off Road Capability? Maybe, but again ball is in their court. Any compromise made was a direct choice FCA made for the platform including an engine bay they say is too small for an option people have been clamoring for since the YJ.

Engine didn't exist prior to design of vehicle? Pretty sure the current hemis have been in vehicles for 10 plus years.

Selling the most with the least effort? Bingo. A direct choice FCA made. jl/jt was Jeep's 4th opportunity to address any engine bay limitations. YJ, TJ, JK, JL/JT

But nah you are right, not FCAs fault at all.

There is a difference between the best off road pickup available and the best off-road pickup FCA could have made. Gladiator is not the latter; though I hope they might make just such a creature appear in the future.

I don't see a reason to be apologetic for FCAs shortcomings on the JT. Maybe providing this feedback will slowly convince them to make the best Gladiator they can not just what they can fire out the fastest with the least effort.

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[Blisskiss]

What am I missing here? How is the inability to fit something not the fault of the group that designed the jl/jt platform from the ground up?

CAFE? No that can't be it or half the SRT vehicles that came out in the last couple years wouldn't have been acceptable.

Emissions? No that can't be it either or the demon never would have made it nor would the Durango 392. Neither would the diesel which is lately the most notriously hard to meet option.

Crash Tests? Well that's kinda in their court again. Government didn't mandate that FCA couldn't make the bay larger to accommodate energy dissipation.

Off Road Capability? Maybe, but again ball is in their court. Any compromise made was a direct choice FCA made for the platform including an engine bay they say is too small for an option people have been clamoring for since the YJ.

Engine didn't exist prior to design of vehicle? Pretty sure the current hemis have been in vehicles for 10 plus years.

Selling the most with the least effort? Bingo. A direct choice FCA made. jl/jt was Jeep's 4th opportunity to address any engine bay limitations. YJ, TJ, JK, JL/JT

But nah you are right, not FCAs fault at all.

There is a difference between the best off road pickup available and the best off-road pickup FCA could have made. Gladiator is not the latter; though I hope they might make just such a creature appear in the future.

I don't see a reason to be apologetic for FCAs shortcomings on the JT. Maybe providing this feedback will slowly convince them to make the best Gladiator they can not just what they can fire out the fastest with the least effort.

And yet I still want one. But atleast I will supercharge it and engine swap it in 15years

 

[Casique]

The Toyota Tacoma may have gotten away with an anemic engine because of lack of mid-size competition, they will have to pony up now or be the worst selling truck in the market....

 

[WXman]

The Pentastar V6 is a multi-time Ward's Best Engines award winner.

The EcoDiesel is going to make 442 lbs/ft @ <2,000 RPM.

If the Gladiator doesn't sell, it won't be because of the engine. Nothing else on the market comes remotely close to what FCA is putting on the table.

 

[steffen707]

What am I missing here? How is the inability to fit something not the fault of the group that designed the jl/jt platform from the ground up?

CAFE? No that can't be it or half the SRT vehicles that came out in the last couple years wouldn't have been acceptable.

Emissions? No that can't be it either or the demon never would have made it nor would the Durango 392. Neither would the diesel which is lately the most notriously hard to meet option.

Crash Tests? Well that's kinda in their court again. Government didn't mandate that FCA couldn't make the bay larger to accommodate energy dissipation.

Off Road Capability? Maybe, but again ball is in their court. Any compromise made was a direct choice FCA made for the platform including an engine bay they say is too small for an option people have been clamoring for since the YJ.

Engine didn't exist prior to design of vehicle? Pretty sure the current hemis have been in vehicles for 10 plus years.

Selling the most with the least effort? Bingo. A direct choice FCA made. jl/jt was Jeep's 4th opportunity to address any engine bay limitations. YJ, TJ, JK, JL/JT

But nah you are right, not FCAs fault at all.

There is a difference between the best off road pickup available and the best off-road pickup FCA could have made. Gladiator is not the latter; though I hope they might make just such a creature appear in the future.

I don't see a reason to be apologetic for FCAs shortcomings on the JT. Maybe providing this feedback will slowly convince them to make the best Gladiator they can not just what they can fire out the fastest with the least effort.

Because engine fitment wasn't their only constraint. Make engine bay bigger, lose rear seat space, or lose bed space. They decided this setup was best to maximize the length of the vehicle. I'm cool with that. If you want more power, wait for the I6 turbo.

 

[steffen707]

And yet I still want one. But atleast I will supercharge it and engine swap it in 15years

Electric swap it? Lol

 

[leveler]

Still Kicking tires on the Engine and transmission option: Love a manual however, it appears the reviews are not holding the gearing in high regard either way. What I've gleaned is low 1st and tall 5th & 6th, other than starting out not optimum for towing in moderate to challenging inclines. Sounds like the unfortunate resolve to the Automatic although, it has great reviews not my first pick....fun factor for all those non-towing miles.

As far as engines:
For Max Tow, having your torque at the lower RPM's is more the preferred platform.
The 3.6l V6 shows HP = 285 @ 6,400 near top end? Torque - 260 @ 4,400. also up in the rpms.
The diesel 3.0L V6 shows Hp = 240 @ 3,600 and Torque - 420 @ 2,000
Makes for some interesting compromises. Wish there was a lower torque gas manual combo. Many of the turbo engines put the emphasis on the lower end. That being said a normal aspirated engine with less complexity has its merits.
The test runs offered recently mostly mention high revs to pull the loads they were given. Some help to drive this decision would be great.

 

[Oilburner]

Where are the 'towing comparison' videos?

 

[Blisskiss]

Electric swap it? Lol

Whatever will last the apocolypse.

 

[steffen707]

Whatever will last the apocolypse.

I think electric would be the best in the apocalypse. Hopefully within 10 years Tesla has super solar panels, and then you don't have to worry about killing neighbors for gasoline.

 

[Blisskiss]

I think electric would be the best in the apocalypse. Hopefully within 10 years Tesla has super solar panels, and then you don't have to worry about killing neighbors for gasoline.

I would have to install security systems on the gladiator just to guard my solarpanels and my jeep.

 

[Blown7]

I myself might have been convinced to purchase a Glad if a V8 option was offered. At the end of the day it is still true nothing beats displacement.

 

[Oilburner]

I think electric would be the best in the apocalypse. .

Unless EMP

 

[steffen707]

Unless EMP

Well then a modern JT would be trashed too. You'd need a ww2 willys with little to no electronics on it.

OR does emp only fry stuff if it's on, when the emp goes off?

 

[drogers]

I myself might have been convinced to purchase a Glad if a V8 option was offered. At the end of the day it is still true nothing beats displacement.

That hasn’t been objectively true for a couple of decades at least, and is less true with every passing year...

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