The people who order at dealerships

[Redfour5]

In the fine print it states, "residency restrictions apply".

Yep, 59634 offers 15% off Rubicons... Oh wait, this morning its also Sports and Mojaves, not sports X's nor shall it be anything else. Oh, on a Freedom Edition that I was looking at, I can get 6.9% for 72 months... two days ago it was 15% off... NO other incentives. I'll check again tomorrow... Oh, but then there is another web page that says all of them are 15% nation wide. You go Stellantis.

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[Redfour5]

So it works off of wheel slippage ? If its so good let me ask you this how come that transfer case isn't in Ever single Jeep every single one.
I dont buy into it completely. Also it seems to only be compatible with a limited slip rear-end ?
Which tell me the rear-end has to be semi-locked most of the time. Which makes a mostly pavement option. Not a true comparible to the spider/locker combo of the Rubicon and Mojave Rear-ends. Am I correct in my thinking?

One, they aren't free and selec trac/Rock track (Rubicons) full time 4WD and the LSD are like 695 and 595 respectively. So, there's that for a dealer trying to make as many as possible look less expensive to potential buyers. AND, if you really are relatively a hard core off roader, there are some decent arguments against. As for the Rubicon, you can get the Trac Lock full time 4WD AND the Spider/locker Combo is my understanding. I could be wrong on that. I don't know about the Mojave. If you live in no snow land I would not likely care if I had it... or the heated seat/wheel package... You could save an easy close to 2500 that way in the south or Southern California west of the Sierra Madres

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So it works off of wheel slippage ? If its so good let me ask you this how come that transfer case isn't in Ever single Jeep every single one.
I dont buy into it completely. Also it seems to only be compatible with a limited slip rear-end ?
Which tell me the rear-end has to be semi-locked most of the time. Which makes a mostly pavement option. Not a true comparible to the spider/locker combo of the Rubicon and Mojave Rear-ends. Am I correct in my thinking?

Wrong in all parts. No limited slip in our 4xe yet there's the SelecTrac. No, not off wheel slippage. More complex than that. Will again have to post the screenshots when get back home later. You are trying to define it all wrong. It does not require lsd.

 

[Redfour5]

Oh, Update on purchase... The wife hasn't been to excited by my getting a Gladiator... After the red one disappeared off the lot (bought) I was stuck with its blacked out twin in Granite Crystal. It actually looks good imho but it is a ditto for her blacked out granite crystal Cherokee Trailhawk Elite garage queen...

So, I finally got her to look at the web page and she says, of course, she doesn't like that it matches her Cherokee, but what about the hydro blue one...and points. I'm like Arrrrgh... It's a new 2022 and a couple K more and 3K less on MSRP (57K) with only dealer incentives... Clearly not as good a deal. Then I remember how much Jeep and Ram were marking things up in 2022 (like every six weeks/1500 bucks) and 2023. So, I find out it was an early build in 2022 at the lowest base MSRP without options.

OK, so, I go and build it now days at the Jeep website and it would NOW have an approximate 62K plus MSRP... Literally 5K more than its actual MSRP if built today. Hmm, it also has the selec trac and track lock LSD. The ONLY thing different than the 23 is no spray in bed liner. But my after market guy has done two of my trucks and his are nice for 700 bucks, proven by two trucks. And it has the auxiliary switches and full LED light package... And it has the side steps. The Freedom has the steel bumpers and rock rails, but I was going to change that all out anyway and have to put back LED lights on... She hates climbing up in a truck in any way shape or form and I have retractable side steps on the 2500 to keep her happy. The side step although not robust will provide immediate satisfaction for her and the older dogs, I can change em out later with rock sliders/steps. . Oh and its got the gorilla glass front windshield. Apparently mixed opinions but generally its sure better than the regular OEM's apparently. You just have to gulp IF you replace with the same... IF I have to replace it, it likely won't be another gorilla glass.

So, I look at it and go Oh, it also qualifies for the 6.9% 72 month Chrysler Cap deal... The insurance is a bit cheaper, registration is 120 bucks less as a 22 (no sales tax in MT, but they nail you hard for five years on registration/then cheap) and I actually kind of like the hydro blue and its still new so my warranty starts at purchase... If I can get the dealer down another thousand, and the wife likes the color. I'm gonna change what I'm getting and won't have to deal with Stellantis and their debacle of a zip code related set of incentives.... This could be a win win... The blue ones are nice. They even have their own threads here on the forum. This may work, but either way, I'm good if I get one. Maybe it is a merry Xmas, happy wife, happy life... I'm good with blue.

 

[Stan H]

Wrong in all parts. No limited slip in our 4xe yet there's the SelecTrac. No, not off wheel slippage. More complex than that. Will again have to post the screenshots when get back home later. You are trying to define it all wrong. It does not require lsd.

So select track Jeeps have full Spiders? If not a LSD then what is it ??‍

 

[Redfour5]

So select track Jeeps have full Spiders? If not a LSD then what is it ??‍

No, that's only Rubicons and they call it something different like "Rock Trac full time 4WD" so I'm not sure what it is. Selec trac is on certain other models below the Rubicon although what it does is described virtually the same. Rubicons just have more stuff in the drive lines so???

 

[Kevin_D]

No, that's only Rubicons and they call it something different like "Rock Trac full time 4WD" so I'm not sure what it is. Selec trac is on certain other models below the Rubicon although what it does is described virtually the same. Rubicons just have more stuff in the drive lines so???

Rock-Trac means it's a 4:1 transfer case in low range.

Kevin

 

[ZoMojave]

4:1 Rock-Trac® Full Time 4WD System:

The Rock-Trac® Full-Time 4x4 system combines a 4:1 low gear ratio tailored for low-speed rock crawling with the convenience of a 4H-Auto mode that will automatically engage and disengage 4WD as needed to maintain traction.

It was called Selec-Trac on my Mojave but without the 4:1 low gear ratio. It now looks as if the Select-Trac is unavailable on any models.

Too bad as it is an awesome system and made mine a beast in the snow.

 

[Scott0700]

Don’t ever ask the salesman a question. Do your own research. Friend of mine is the GM at the local Toyota dealership. He was their top salesman. He always says “Don’t ask me car questions. I don’t know s—t about cars other than how to sell them”.

 

[Redfour5]

4:1 Rock-Trac® Full Time 4WD System:

The Rock-Trac® Full-Time 4x4 system combines a 4:1 low gear ratio tailored for low-speed rock crawling with the convenience of a 4H-Auto mode that will automatically engage and disengage 4WD as needed to maintain traction.

It was called Selec-Trac on my Mojave but without the 4:1 low gear ratio. It now looks as if the Select-Trac is unavailable on any models.

Too bad as it is an awesome system and made mine a beast in the snow.

I noticed that. And thanks, I was going to look for that monroney description. You saved me the search. It does look like the key distinction is the 4:1 ratio for name difference.

I still go back to the FIRST system similar to this I had that wasn't a cheap option on a 2007 Subaru. It was only on a trim level. Their AWD already did the front back thing like "Selec-Trac" but didn't have an LSD, then they came out with that and I've been sold ever since on the front back side to side variants of "auto" AWD and now on a 4WD Jeep. I'll suffer, perhaps, a slight degradation around maybe NOT being able to go up the chute in Moab for the convenience of my 95% daily driving in Montana.

 

[Rahkmalla]

I take it you've only bought new cars from big city high volume dealerships? Thats not at all the way it is around here....I ran a Jeep store a few years and have done sales seminars here for local dealerships and thats not the training they get here. If your numbers are true or even close I would find a new Cdjr dealership.....

Never bought a car from a big-city high volume dealership. I'd worked exclusively at suburban medium and low volumes dealerships. I'm not talking about my buying experiences, i'm talking about my experience as to the dozens of coworkers i've had over the years. probably over 100 with all the turnover i've seen.

 

[Redfour5]

4:1 Rock-Trac® Full Time 4WD System:

The Rock-Trac® Full-Time 4x4 system combines a 4:1 low gear ratio tailored for low-speed rock crawling with the convenience of a 4H-Auto mode that will automatically engage and disengage 4WD as needed to maintain traction.

It was called Selec-Trac on my Mojave but without the 4:1 low gear ratio. It now looks as if the Select-Trac is unavailable on any models.

Too bad as it is an awesome system and made mine a beast in the snow.

Of interest, one very large dealer in the NW (Idaho) "Peterson" has a bunch of Rubicons and I think they all have the Rock-Trac® Full-Time 4x4 system. I've spoken with them a few times as whomever is their buyer there does stuff like that. They always had the All time "Auto" 4WD on many of their Ram 1500's I noticed and why I went and checked them out. Here's a Rubi that is less than 50K right now... on a 66K MSRP. https://www.chrysler.com/hostd/wind...86.325093403.1703596779-1080813966.1703596779

There are like three really big dealers up in Idaho, Dennis Dillon, Dave Smith and Peterson who are some of the very biggest in volume in the country. They fly people in to buy and drive home. The deals over the last five years seem to NOT be quite as good as they used to be, but you can still find killer deals if you monitor them... Peterson is pushing the Rubicons now as they have 14 of them. So, if you live in the NW, are looking for a 23 Rubicon and want a deal, Peterson is worth a look. But, this "approach" by these big guys also puts pressure to keep prices low with other dealers within a few hundred miles of them so, that's the angle I'm taking. I got my Ram 2500 this way saved a bunch like six thousand vs anywhere within 200 miles of me and checked off more of my boxes.

I looked, but dont' need a Rubicon and can save like 7K on a Freedom edition at another site, but this was tempting.

 

[Redfour5]

Never bought a car from a big-city high volume dealership. I'd worked exclusively at suburban medium and low volumes dealerships. I'm not talking about my buying experiences, i'm talking about my experience as to the dozens of coworkers i've had over the years. probably over 100 with all the turnover i've seen.

I said elsewhere that I would work the angle with the lower volume dealers who surround the massive guys. I got a 2022 Ram 2500 from a smaller volume dealer (Auto Ranch/Ontario) who said they are always under pressure from the big three in Idaho, Dillon, Smith and Peterson... I got 1K under MSRP back when my local dealer was still marking up 3 to 5K. AND a 3.24% interest rate vs 4.9 locally. Just at that point where interest rates were changing.

If you drive from Montana through to like Spokane, there is one multi-mile stretch in Idaho where Dave Smith dealerships of various brands go for like miles and miles with fields of new cars and you can tell because the dealership puts flourescent pink on all his buildings, logos, and everything else. It's pretty amazing. That Dealership must dominate the economy up there... It was family run for like 50 years and that was when the really good deals could be had then they sold to some holding corporation who has slowly raised pricing and so, the other two Dennis Dillon and Peterson have also... It's been interesting to watch the dynamic over the last 10 years.

 

[Koolcarguy]

Never bought a car from a big-city high volume dealership. I'd worked exclusively at suburban medium and low volumes dealerships. I'm not talking about my buying experiences, i'm talking about my experience as to the dozens of coworkers i've had over the years. probably over 100 with all the turnover i've seen.

I understand I buy wholesake cars from several dealerships in the Denver metro area and theres new faces and new management all the time. My local dealers have managers and sells staff some have been there 20 + years and when they get a new salesperson they get trained well

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