Traded JT for JL rubi with 2.0

[Almost]

It sounds like you needed a diesel. Should have test drove one - it would have been everything you wanted in terms of feeling light and effortless to move.

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[staying_tuned]

Might should have waited for the hurricane. Small twins pull like a freight train which, coupled with the greater displacement, will shrug off additional weight quite well. Performance wise it’s a massive paradigm shift. We’ll be soon laughing at posts like this where someone says my 2.0T feels like a race car compared to my old 3.6 and chalk it up as the final days when Jeep owners finally said enough gutless motors already.

 

[XJFanatic]

I hate the 2.0 turbo. Wait until you put larger tires on it. That's when it really sucks but to each their own I guess. My buddies kicking his self for not getting a 3.6 in his wrangler now that he has 35's on it.

Why do people always say this? Lack of personal comparisons over the long term maybe? If your buddy thinks the 2.0T is slow with 35s he would be trading the 3.6 the same day.

Drove the JLU this morning, still much quicker than the JT… and gets 3-4 mpg better.

Just not sure why people need to put down one motor or another. Both are good motors, both have advantages. I could see if we were still comparing the 4.0l to the 2.5l…

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Why do people always say this? Lack of personal comparisons over the long term maybe? If your buddy thinks the 2.0T is slow with 35s he would be trading the 3.6 the same day.

Drove the JLU this morning, still much quicker than the JT… and gets 3-4 mpg better.

Just not sure why people need to put down one motor or another. Both are good motors, both have advantages. I could see if we were still comparing the 4.0l to the 2.5l…

Because it fact. It's not his jeep it's his wife's and he's content with it because if the deal he got. I drove one on 37's myself and I've driven his and both are slower than mine. On 37's. Maybe not on takeoff but as you get into the gears and settle in, the 2.0 is a dog on 35's and slug on 37's. Even with a regear on the one with 37's.

Just saying I'm not just saying it, I've compared.

 

[Teqsand]

DIESEL..... nuff said

 

[XJFanatic]

Because it fact. It's not his jeep it's his wife's and he's content with it because if the deal he got. I drove one on 37's myself and I've driven his and both are slower than mine. On 37's. Maybe not on takeoff but as you get into the gears and settle in, the 2.0 is a dog on 35's and slug on 37's. Even with a regear on the one with 37's.

Just saying I'm not just saying it, I've compared.

It’s not fact, it’s subjective based on your feel. Show dynos, timed runs, etc.

I bounce between both regularly. The 3.6 in the JT has to shift down to 6th at the slightest incline with 4.10s, the JLU with 3.45s may not see 8th as often but will just sit in 7th and not bog.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

It’s not fact, it’s subjective based on your feel. Show dynos, timed runs, etc.

I bounce between both regularly. The 3.6 in the JT has to shift down to 6th at the slightest incline with 4.10s, the JLU with 3.45s may not see 8th as often but will just sit in 7th and not bog.

I can tell you he's getting 15 mpgs on Toyo 35's and I'm getting 17.2 on Kanati 37's. That's all I need to know, both stock gearing. Don't need a Dyno to compare that. It's just common sense, 4cylinder turbo with 3:45 gears ain't gonna pull better than a 3.6 V6 with 4:10 gears.

Mine doesn't shift down at the slightest incline and I've had mine as high as 18.7mpg on a few 4hr or more trips on 37's. But if you like it you like it

 

[XJFanatic]

I can tell you he's getting 15 mpgs on Toyo 35's and I'm getting 17.2 on Kanati 37's. That's all I need to know, both stock gearing. Don't need a Dyno to compare that. It's just common sense, 4cylinder turbo with 3:45 gears ain't gonna pull better than a 3.6 V6 with 4:10 gears.

Mine doesn't shift down at the slightest incline and I've had mine as high as 18.7mpg on a few 4hr or more trips on 37's. But if you like it you like it

Yes because mileage means anything here. The wife and I can swap Jeeps and get drastically different results. She gets 15-17 per tank in the JT and I get 17-20. In the JL it’s 18-20 for her and 21-23 for me. Driving style matters more than motor in that case.

His toyos are probably heavier and within a half inch of your Kanatis, as the run truer to size and all toyo/Nitto tires are heavy.

Yep it’s impossible for a small displacement forced induction motor to pull better than a rev happy naturally aspirated motor. They must have made a mistake when they added turbos to diesels. Keep that no replacement for displacement thing going… by your logic the 4.0l in my TJ out does both.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Yes because mileage means anything here. The wife and I can swap Jeeps and get drastically different results. She gets 15-17 per tank in the JT and I get 17-20. In the JL it’s 18-20 for her and 21-23 for me. Driving style matters more than motor in that case.

His toyos are probably heavier and within a half inch of your Kanatis, as the run truer to size and all toyo/Nitto tires are heavy.

Yep it’s impossible for a small displacement forced induction motor to pull better than a rev happy naturally aspirated motor. They must have made a mistake when they added turbos to diesels. Keep that no replacement for displacement thing going… by your logic the 4.0l in my TJ out does both.

My Kanatis measure 36.2 and His Toyo's Measure 34.1, both mounted. A diesel is different than a 4 cylinder motor. I don't care if it's turbo or not, if you add weight and bigger tires it's not going pull like the 3.6 , that is just common sense.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

Ok. Bye.

 

[NachoRuby]

Probably a lot of the difference in acceleration is because it's a JL, and not a truck. My wife's JKU Wrangler with the 3.6 is way faster than my gladiator, because my gladiator is much heavier. Of course a wrangler is going to be faster. It's lighter. No hate on the 2.0, but I mean you're comparing an SUV to a pickup truck. If you were to compare a 3.6 wrangler to a 3.6 glad, or a 3.0 Wrangler to a 3.0 glad, the Wrangler will be faster. We just test drove a 3.6 JLU today. It was way quicker than my gladiator, as to be expected, even with the same engine, same transmission, and longer (3.45) gearing.

Apples to apples, 0-60 on a JL with the 2.0 and one with the 3.6, as well as quarter mile times, are nearly identical. But a JL is lighter than a JT, so it's faster.

 

[XJFanatic]

My Kanatis measure 36.2 and His Toyo's Measure 34.1, both mounted. A diesel is different than a 4 cylinder motor. I don't care if it's turbo or not, if you add weight and bigger tires it's not going pull like the 3.6 , that is just common sense.

Forced induction is forced induction. A non turbo diesel is a turd even if it’s 7.3l displacement.

Again, displacement has nothing to do with pulling. There are plenty of smaller motors that produce more usable power than larger ones. It is all about the power band location and nature of the curve.

 

[XJFanatic]

Probably a lot of the difference in acceleration is because it's a JL, and not a truck. My wife's JKU Wrangler with the 3.6 is way faster than my gladiator, because my gladiator is much heavier. Of course a wrangler is going to be faster. It's lighter. No hate on the 2.0, but I mean you're comparing an SUV to a pickup truck. If you were to compare a 3.6 wrangler to a 3.6 glad, or a 3.0 Wrangler to a 3.0 glad, the Wrangler will be faster. We just test drove a 3.6 JLU today. It was way quicker than my gladiator, as to be expected, even with the same engine, same transmission, and longer (3.45) gearing.

Apples to apples, 0-60 on a JL with the 2.0 and one with the 3.6, as well as quarter mile times, are nearly identical. But a JL is lighter than a JT, so it's faster.

I definitely agree with that playing a part here. A shorter wheelbase will feel quicker, with its more active ride. But the weight isn’t that much different, 400lbs should easily be compensated for by the lower 3.73 gears. That’s only two average adult males.

I honestly believe the curve and power band is tuned quite differently in the JT. It would help account for all the JT 3.6 issues that don’t plague the JL.

JT 4650-5072lb curb weight

JLU 4015-4620lb curb weight

 

[HardCase]

I’m guessing that it’s all about perspective. I sold a fairly late model Toyota Tacoma with a V6 and automatic when I bought my Mojave in June of 2021. When I test drove a Gladiator with the Pentastar motor, it felt like a race car compared to the Taco.

I’ve not driven a 2.0. I hope you enjoy your JL. I am personally not trustful of turbo engines generally. Long story and I am sure that new ones are generally better than my bitter experience with a Ford back in the 1980s. I just read an article last evening about a Pentastar engine pulled from a van and torn down after its demise….at over 600,000 miles.

I’m a 2 vehicle guy. I’m keeping the Gladiator but have decided to replace the car with the JL Rubicon 2 door, manual 6, and the V6 motor. Order placed.

 

[JD101]

IDK what all hostility is about . Folks are allowed to an opinion. It's a simple observation to the OPs experience. What I have found in my own experience of owning a JLR 6spd , JLU auto 2.0 , and JTR auto V6 , is the 2.0 ( non etorgue) is a noisy little thing that absolutely puts down better power than the pentastar . I don't feel it's laggy and tuning potential is pretty great. However the pentastar is proven despite mine failing totally at 9k in my JT ( go figure). The V6 is butter smooth and quiet . Where my JT closed the gap is when I installed 5.13 gears . Even with heavy 37s it's pretty athletic for a jeep/truck. Our JLU with 3.45s and 35s out performs the JT in every day use regardless of any of my configurations of the JT. Especially in the fuel consumption dept. Personally I would have loved the pedestrian 5.7 in the JT , but we don't need to get into the how's and whys it's never been an option. FWIW I have put 20k+ a year on all three I have owned . I own both the JT and JLU together and drive them regularly back to back . Would I suggest the 2.0 in the JT , IDK . But I would go 2.0 in a wrangler . If you like either engine option I can respect that .

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