XJ person interested in Mojave

[Mr Miami]

The Mojave and Mojave X starts at 1,100 pounds payload and drops from there with added stuff.
The 2025 Rubicon and Rubicon X start at 1,200 pounds payload -

So the Mojave is 100 pounds lower payload than Rubicon.
Same towing as Rubicon.

Rubicon is 6,250 GVWR
Mojave is 6,140 GVWR

So a big question - why is the Mojave a lower GVWR than the Rubicon by 100 pounds???

The door numbers will vary widely with the options.

Not sure if the "100 pounds" you mentioned was a statement or rhetorical question. I can understand 100 pound differences (maybe the Fox shocks and some other suspension stuff adds some weight, I don't know). Anyway, I was referring to the 1,000 pound towing difference. Now, from what I am reading, the towing for both is the same, or at least, as they say, "when properly equipped".

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[ShadowsPapa]

Not sure if the "100 pounds" you mentioned was a statement or rhetorical question. I can understand 100 pound differences (maybe the Fox shocks and some other suspension stuff adds some weight, I don't know). Anyway, I was referring to the 1,000 pound towing difference. Now, from what I am reading, the towing for both is the same, or at least, as they say, "when properly equipped".

Was referring to the GVWR where the weight of stuff on the truck doesn't matter, it's the total weight of the truck and payload. The Rubicon has a higher GVWR and curb weight isn't the difference for GVWR. I never understood how a beefed up truck for whoopty-doos at speed could have a lower GVWR by 110 pounds.
Axle ratings? Why?

 

[Bomber27]

I drove an XJ for years. They’re a cramped, miserable, rough riding POS compared to a Gladiator. No comparison in comfort and refinement.

Right on! But love my XJ’s have one-had many. Just not a daily driver.

 

[NC_Overland]

Right on! But love my XJ’s have one-had many. Just not a daily driver.

XJs make a miserable daily driver. Especially, if you’re 6’+ like me. My Gladiator is very comfortable in comparison. It’s been on many road trips because it’s so comfortable. It’s way more like my 2004 WJ in comfort than an XJ. My XJ was stock and new too.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Was referring to the GVWR where the weight of stuff on the truck doesn't matter, it's the total weight of the truck and payload. The Rubicon has a higher GVWR and curb weight isn't the difference for GVWR. I never understood how a beefed up truck for whoopty-doos at speed could have a lower GVWR by 110 pounds.
Axle ratings? Why?

OK, maybe I'm more awake -

GVWR is the TOTAL weight rating of the truck plus "stuff" you add to it, put in it, on it, bolt to it (bumpers, steps, toppers, dogs, beer.........)
The Rubicon is rated for about 110 pounds more than the Mojave.
Since GVWR is the TOTAL of the truck plus stuff in/on the truck, it can't be due to the weight of the vehicle.
Doesn't matter if a Mojave starts out heavier or lighter, the total weight of the truck plus stuff is lower as far as rating than the Rubicon.
That almost implies that the Rubicon axles and so on can handle 110 pounds more than the Mojave can handle.
OR, is it also based on the springs?
Because the spring RATE of the Mojave is a bit lower, perhaps, than Overland?
I'm just wondering where they get a lower GVWR for the Mojave than the Rubicon if they use the same drivetrain (except the t-case 4L ratio)

 

[Mr Miami]

OK, maybe I'm more awake -

GVWR is the TOTAL weight rating of the truck plus "stuff" you add to it, put in it, on it, bolt to it (bumpers, steps, toppers, dogs, beer.........)
The Rubicon is rated for about 110 pounds more than the Mojave.
Since GVWR is the TOTAL of the truck plus stuff in/on the truck, it can't be due to the weight of the vehicle.
Doesn't matter if a Mojave starts out heavier or lighter, the total weight of the truck plus stuff is lower as far as rating than the Rubicon.
That almost implies that the Rubicon axles and so on can handle 110 pounds more than the Mojave can handle.
OR, is it also based on the springs?
Because the spring RATE of the Mojave is a bit lower, perhaps, than Overland?
I'm just wondering where they get a lower GVWR for the Mojave than the Rubicon if they use the same drivetrain (except the t-case 4L ratio)

The only reasonable thing (at least in my small mind) I was thinking was that the lower Mojave rating for towing was that the springs were much softer, hence the better ride that everyone seems to like. The softer springs could significantly affect the acceptable tongue weight of a trailer, even though all the other parts of the drivetrain could handle the 7k towing. Just a thought.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The only reasonable thing (at least in my small mind) I was thinking was that the lower Mojave rating for towing was that the springs were much softer, hence the better ride that everyone seems to like. The softer springs could significantly affect the acceptable tongue weight of a trailer, even though all the other parts of the drivetrain could handle the 7k towing. Just a thought.

And that thought has crossed my mind, too.

I will tow with mine - it says 7,000, but I tend to max out these days around 5,000.
However, I would appreciate the greater margin in there - I feel better towing 5,000 with a 7,000 rating than 5,000 with a 6,000 rating (although, honestly, the Overland did very well for me)

I am fairly sure I'll need airbags in the rear - I had them in my 2022 Overland and it helped a LOT. It just felt better, less bounce with the trailer on it, and it stayed more level - no more getting headlight flashed towing at night.

 

[dajudge]

There is no comparison between an XJ and a Gladiator other than they both have Jeep on them.
I have had my XJ for 20 years. Unbelievably reliable, amazing off road, rides terrible, small and cramped, no power, no payload or towing capacity, and noisy. As a vehicle the Gladiator is probably more than twenty years ahead of it.

 

[Bomber27]

There is no comparison between an XJ and a Gladiator other than they both have Jeep on them.
I have had my XJ for 20 years. Unbelievably reliable, amazing off road, rides terrible, small and cramped, no power, no payload or towing capacity, and noisy. As a vehicle the Gladiator is probably more than twenty years ahead of it.

More than 20. About sums it up!
This will be a daily, so off roading will happen and limited, I have a 4 seat RZR, dirt bikes and atvs and jet skis(guess that is off road!).

been riding off road since 70’s at Silver Lake and MI ORV trails. Most stay on ORV trails as I know them like roads. Silver Lake have not gone for years due to too busy and bad accidents. I like to get miles and not racing, disappear in Huron National Forest.
I have a riding group that are on same page, don’t stop every 15-30mins, drink, smoke, bathroom. Just keep an eye on person behind you in the group.

not concerned towing 5000 with WD/Sway Hitch on flat land for a couple of slow driving hours.

 

[NC_Overland]

There is no comparison between an XJ and a Gladiator other than they both have Jeep on them.
I have had my XJ for 20 years. Unbelievably reliable, amazing off road, rides terrible, small and cramped, no power, no payload or towing capacity, and noisy. As a vehicle the Gladiator is probably more than twenty years ahead of it.

Mine wasn’t even reliable. Chrysler quality control was terrible and I was one of the unlucky people to have a 4.0l fail under warranty. Catastrophic, hole in the side of the block. The only engine failure I’ve ever had. They had issues back then, I was in a rental for months because the long blocks were on back order. At least they paid for the rental without a fight. It was fine for a while other than the new engine had bad piston slap. I dumped it at 120k miles when I was tired of stuff always broken on it. A lot of starting issues, everything leaked. The vehicle and the engine. Junk. Never abused and well serviced. The only thing I never had issues with was the AW4 transmission. lol

 

[Bomber27]

Mine wasn’t even reliable. Chrysler quality control was terrible and I was one of the unlucky people to have a 4.0l fail under warranty. Catastrophic, hole in the side of the block. The only engine failure I’ve ever had. They had issues back then, I was in a rental for months because the long blocks were on back order. At least they paid for the rental without a fight. It was fine for a while other than the new engine had bad piston slap. I dumped it at 120k miles when I was tired of stuff always broken on it. A lot of starting issues, everything leaked. The vehicle and the engine. Junk. Never abused and well serviced. The only thing I never had issues with was the AW4 transmission. lol

Sucks, I am and have been lucky with the 4.0HO. My brother owned Wranglers and did well with 4.0 also.

My XJ’s have all been heavily abused with care!

 

[NC_Overland]

Sucks, I am and have been lucky with the 4.0HO. My brother owned Wranglers and did well with 4.0 also.

My XJ’s have all been heavily abused with care!

It was good engine design and the ones that have survived this long are good to go.

 

[dajudge]

Sucks, I am and have been lucky with the 4.0HO. My brother owned Wranglers and did well with 4.0 also.

My XJ’s have all been heavily abused with care!

This has been my experience. Mine is a 2001. I did have to replace the head but it was my fault.

 

[NC_Overland]

This has been my experience. Mine is a 2001. I did have to replace the head but it was my fault.

It probably wasn’t your fault. The ‘00-‘01 were known for it.

 

[Bjeepz]

No rattles or creaks on my 2021. No complaints - and I usually complain loudly about my vehicles if they have recurring issues. Just a rear axle leak that was successfully addressed a couple years back. I think the Mojave just may turn into a long term family member.

My 2023 Mojave rattles and creek more than my 2022 Mojave did and more that my Rubicon did. No idea why but I notice it, then drive faster over the bumps and forget about it!

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