Since the JT is NOT considered a true 1/2 Ton

[NachoRuby]

Oh ok so a ram 1500 is a 1/2 ton but not a power wagon

I think a power wagon (and any 2500/f250) is a 3/4 ton.

1 ton is f-350/ram 3500/Silverado 3500.

1/2 ton is f150/ram 1500/Silverado 1500/Tundra

Gladiator is 1/4 ton. Ranger/Taco/ Colorado/Ridgeline are also 1/4 ton.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/what-is-three-quarter-ton-truck/

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[Rusty PW]

Oh ok so a ram 1500 is a 1/2 ton but not a power wagon

Power Wagon is based on the 2500 Ram. Plus the Power Wagon will never be a diesel. The bottom of the intercooler and the winch are in same location.

 

[slim chance]

I think a power wagon (and any 2500/f250) is a 3/4 ton.

1 ton is f-350/ram 3500/Silverado 3500.

1/2 ton is f150/ram 1500/Silverado 1500/Tundra

Gladiator is 1/4 ton. Ranger/Taco/ Colorado/Ridgeline are also 1/4 ton.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/what-is-three-quarter-ton-truck/

things are NOT so cut and dried today .... my 2019 Ram 2500 has a door payload sticker that says 2821#s ,,when i went to school 60 yrs ago a ton was 2000#s ... so that makes my 2500 about a ton and a quarter+ .... but then i don't give a dam about Honda Ridgelines either

 

[NachoRuby]

things are NOT so cut and dried today .... my 2019 Ram 2500 has a door payload sticker that says 2821#s ,,when i went to school 60 yrs ago a ton was 2000#s ... so that makes my 2500 about a ton and a quarter+ .... but then i don't give a dam about Honda Ridgelines either

It's not based on actual payload at all anymore, it's just a class rating. We're a quarter ton, but my payload is 1200. It's just a name, to indicate relative size for marketing and comparison. It's been that way for a long time.

Most every pickup on the road has a payload well over its class name nowadays. But for whatever reason, the rating names have still stuck. It's a convenient way of putting trucks into different groups for comparison.

 

[Teqsand]

FCA doesn't state the gladiator as a half ton because it's not... a RAM 1500 is a half ton.

A Gladiator is a small truck, it doesn't compete with F150s, ram 1500s or silverado 1500s on anything but price.

And it does a MAGNIFIANT job of competing on price... it puts those trucks in thier place

 

[NachoRuby]

And it does a MAGNIFIANT job of competing on price... it puts those trucks in thier place

It's a convertible. Any convertible of anything costs more than the not convertible version. We don't have a non-convertible version, but convertibles of everything cost way more.

Mustang: $27470
Mustang convertible: 32970
Camaro: 26100
Camaro Convertible:33995
Bmw 4 series:47400
BMW 4 series convertible: 55500
Corvette: 64500
Corvette Convertible: 73395

Non-convertible comparisons to the gladiator:
Colorado (4wd/crew cab/ 5 ft bed): 33540
Tacoma TRD off-road: (4wd/auto/crew cab/5 foot bed): 35825
Gladiator (convertible only)
Sport S/Auto:41170

A cheaper gladiator would not be a convertible, and probably would just be a Dakota, if they bring that line back.

 

[BLK HOLE]

There are no "1/2 ton" ratings anymore...or any other versions. And the JT wouldn't be a 1/4 ton anyway. It would be a 1/2 ton...because it literally has a rating around that.

 

[Teqsand]

It's a convertible. Any convertible of anything costs more than the not convertible version. We don't have a non-convertible version, but convertibles of everything cost way more.

Mustang: $27470
Mustang convertible: 32970
Camaro: 26100
Camaro Convertible:33995
Bmw 4 series:47400
BMW 4 series convertible: 55500
Corvette: 64500
Corvette Convertible: 73395

Non-convertible comparisons to the gladiator:
Colorado (4wd/crew cab/ 5 ft bed): 33540
Tacoma TRD off-road: (4wd/auto/crew cab/5 foot bed): 35825
Gladiator (convertible only)
Sport S/Auto:41170

A cheaper gladiator would not be a convertible, and probably would just be a Dakota, if they bring that line back.

The flaw in the logic there is every example you used was a 1000% more complicated system, a system that contain electric motors to fold, compartments to open, means to store the top... if the tops on those cars were made like jeep tops, you couldn't justify the price increase

Strangely, the 1968 Corvette Base price was $4,320 for the convertible and $4,663 for the coupe

 

[BLK HOLE]

FCA doesn't state the gladiator as a half ton because it's not... a RAM 1500 is a half ton.

A Gladiator is a small truck, it doesn't compete with F150s, ram 1500s or silverado 1500s on anything but price.

Thats why trucks aren't rated like that anymore. JTs would be 1/2 tons and 1500s would be up to 1 ton's. Those ratings have been dead for years.

 

[NachoRuby]

The flaw in the logic there is every example you used was a 1000% more complicated system, a system that contain electric motors to fold, compartments to open, means to store the top... if the tops on those cars were made like jeep tops, you couldn't justify the price increase

Strangely, the 1968 Corvette Base price was $4,320 for the convertible and $4,663 for the coupe

It's actually because a convertible version of a vehicle requires significant reinforcement, or the frame becomes too flexible, and handling and crash worthiness suffer. You can't just cut the top off of a non-convertible and have a convertible. It'll bend and flex too much. The roof provides a non-trivial amount of rigidity. For us, all of those rollbars are the part you can see, but there's more than that even. This is why the convertible version of nearly everything weighs a lot more. That extra weight isn't on the top, it's in reinforcement. On the gladiator or wrangler or bronco, there's also the removable doors. On a normal car, the doors provide structural rigidity. In the Jeep, all that rigidity has to come from elsewhere, so it doesn't crumple when the doors are off.

And the old Corvette example you used is because in 1963, crash standards were almost non-existent. You can't just cut the roof off now. It would crumple like a tin can and fail every crash test.

Regarding means to store the top, a convertible Mustang doesn't have a fancy means of storage. Power, yes, but no compartments to open, and no fancy storage. It just rests behind the back seat.

 

[Teqsand]

It's actually because a convertible version of a vehicle requires significant reinforcement, or the frame becomes too flexible, and handling and crash worthiness suffer. You can't just cut the top off of a non-convertible and have a convertible. It'll bend and flex too much. The roof provides a non-trivial amount of rigidity. For us, all of those rollbars are the part you can see, but there's more than that even. This is why the convertible version of nearly everything weighs a lot more. That extra weight isn't on the top, it's in reinforcement. On the gladiator or wrangler or bronco, there's also the removable doors. On a normal car, the doors provide structural rigidity. In the Jeep, all that rigidity has to come from elsewhere, so it doesn't crumple when the doors are off.

And the old Corvette example you used is because in 1963, crash standards were almost non-existent. You can't just cut the roof off now. It would crumple like a tin can and fail every crash test.

Regarding means to store the top, a convertible mustang or Camaro don't have a fancy means of storage. Power, yes, but no compartments to open, and no fancy storage.

I would agree in as far the vehicles you cited as they are unibody rather than on frame type, and do require much more reinforcement than framed vehicles.

But to go back to the pricing, much has to do with marketing, why are leather upgrade seats for the JT 1700.00 and leather upgrade for the larger ram only 600.00 ??

Make whatever excuses, but jeep buyers (real jeeps) are getting fleeced

 

[NachoRuby]

I would agree in as far the vehicles you cited as they are unibody rather than on frame type, and do require much more reinforcement than framed vehicles.

But to go back to the pricing, much has to do with marketing, why are leather upgrade seats for the JT 1700.00 and leather upgrade for the larger ram only 600.00 ??

Make whatever excuses, but jeep buyers (real jeeps) are getting fleeced

That's a fair point. That's because people will pay it. If I wanted leather (I didn't), I would have paid it, just because the gladiator fits my needs and desires (and garage), and the Ram doesn't.

Ford charges $2195 for leather on a bronco, but only $1095 on a Ranger. Basically, in these classes, of convertible trucks and SUVs, they charge more for options because they can, because there aren't many other offerings. The 1/2 ton pickup class is cut throat, on the other hand.

But just comparing a convertible to a conventional top, I'd always expect the convertible to cost more, base model to base model.

 

[Teqsand]

That's a fair point. That's because people will pay it. If I wanted leather (I didn't), I would have paid it, just because the gladiator fits my needs and desires (and almost fits my garage), and the Ram doesn't.

Ford charges $2195 for leather on a bronco, but only $1095 on a Ranger. Basically, in these classes, of convertible trucks and SUVs, they charge more for options because they can, because there aren't many other offerings. The 1/2 ton pickup class is cut throat, on the other hand.

But just comparing a convertible to a conventional top, I'd always expect the convertible to cost more, base model to base model.

The irony for me is living in the SoCal desert, it's like 400⁰ all summer so even though I live 2 hours from BigBear or 3 from Mammoth, it's still to damn hot to take the top off.... we did it for novelty like twice for a whole day....
Wife's 21 JLURD
My 22 JTRD (buyback)

Btw, this is my back yard....

 

[Geoarch]

I consider these trucks mid sized half ton trucks,these damn things got solid axles front and back and it's a trucks,May not haul as much as a actually full size half ton but that's why I call em midsized 1/2 ton or baby half tons lol

I like your mud avatar. Was there anywhere on that truck that wasn't covered in mud? I live in the desert, but up in the mountains we get mud during the monsoon, but I've never had that much. Must have been fun.

 

[Geoarch]

The irony for me is living in the SoCal desert, it's like 400⁰ all summer so even though I live 2 hours from BigBear or 3 from Mammoth, it's still to damn hot to take the top off.... we did it for novelty like twice for a whole day....
Wife's 21 JLURD
My 22 JTRD (buyback)

But the winters are great.

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