Ideal Toe In degrees?

[Darkspeed]

What is the ideal total Toe in degrees for a gladiator?

Iv looked but no firm answers.

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[XraytecH]

I have 1/8" toe in for the front. I am unclear on what that translates in degrees.

 

[Darkspeed]

iv been looking at alignment sheets and it looks like the allowable is between

0.047 and 0.344 degrees toe in

50% of allowable scale would be : 0.195

75% of allowable scale would be : 0.281

so somewhere around .20-.30 should be preferable correct?

 

[jay21mojave]

I have not seen TOE in degrees, it is / has been in inches.. https://www.fcarusa.com/TechSupport/KB/wheel-alignment-specifications

 

[Darkspeed]

toe math in inches is wheel diameter dependent. the places i have seen all do it in degrees.

 

[Lunentucker]

toe math in inches is wheel diameter dependent. the places i have seen all do it in degrees.

This. A degree of angle doesn't change with distance.

 

[Darkspeed]

im trying to arm myself with better info before my next battle here - https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/getting-a-2023-alignment-or-not.64749/post-1068900

 

[Lunentucker]

I've messed with it a bit and really like how mine drives with a slight amount of toe out. About 1/16 on 35s.
Somewhere I'd read that Steer Smarts did a big closed course scientific study and found that a slight toe out was actually ideal.
That's anecdotal. I've never been able to find the actual study, but admittedly didn't spend a lot of time looking for it.

 

[Darkspeed]

I've messed with it a bit and really like how mine drives with a slight amount of toe out. About 1/16 on 35s.
Somewhere I'd read that Steer Smarts did a big closed course scientific study and found that a slight toe out was actually ideal.
That's anecdotal. I've never been able to find the actual study, but admittedly didn't spend a lot of time looking for it.

with toe out you are running with oversteer at the cost of straight line stability on the highway.

im a straight line stability guy.

I bet yours corners great though

 

[Lunentucker]

with toe out you are running with oversteer at the cost of straight line stability on the highway.

im a straight line stability guy.

I bet yours corners great though

Go with it.
Mine drives great.

 

[Lunentucker]

And I was getting a very very faint shimmy at 62 with slight toe in. It's gone now with the tiny amount of toe out.

 

[Darkspeed]

And I was getting a very very faint shimmy at 62 with slight toe in. It's gone now with the tiny amount of toe out.

That may be worn lower ball joints.

 

[Lunentucker]

That may be worn lower ball joints.

Could be, but I'm under 10k miles and they were checked and properly torqued at 2000.
I do plan on checking all of that again very soon.

 

[OHJeeper]

For reference, this is what too much toe-in can do to a tire. Look at the tread left to right... This tire came off the front:

This tire only has 30k miles on it... It's "mate" in the other side is the same ?

This is what the a-hole did thinking "more is better" did... Toe was set to 3/4" !!!!!

(front is left pic, back is right)

 

[Darkspeed]

For reference, this is what too much toe-in can do to a tire. Look at the tread left to right... This tire came off the front:

This tire only has 30k miles on it... It's "mate" in the other side is the same ?

This is what the a-hole did thinking "more is better" did... Toe was set to 3/4" !!!!!

(front is left pic, back is right)

3/4" at what diameter? how do you know at what point on those bars to take a measurement?

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