2022 JTRD stolen from driveway (don't let it happen to you)

[Jerhemi]

Mine was stolen on December 22nd in the GTA. It was found near the airport in a hotel
Parking lot.

Maybe time to start a GTA vigilante group…how about “The Hell’s Satans” ??

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[IanNubbit]

It only means they can unlock the door - passive entry or not, they can STILL start it! The thing is to protect the FOB.
Folks can't seem to get the basic of how to secure the truck - don't allow them access to the fob signal. It's the signal, FOOLS leaving the FOB by an outside wall so they can relay the signal.
You can have passive entry and it's secure as anything out there if you block the FOB signal.

If you leave the fob open by the wall, they can still start the truck once they get in. Passive entry just means they don't need to pick a lock or break a window, etc.



A truck that has remote power locks but no passive entry has the same receivers in the truck. Hundreds of us have proven that by adding the handles and wiring to the door - and bingo, we have passive entry.

It's the "remote" power locks that give you the long range because you can lock and unlock the doors with a button press.

So you'd have to get rid of the remote/power locks completely.
But why not just protect the stupid fob? It's a simple concept - protect the fob, taking your truck from your home is harder because they can't use the relay trick. You can have passive entry, you can have remote power locks, you can have remote start - just protect the fob.
But that's a difficult concept so instead it's all about disabling the truck.
No, cover the fob.

I think you might have mis understood. I have no power locks.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Your vehicle is always issuing challenges to the FOB - if it reacts when you approach by turning on lights, then the fob has reacted to the signal from the vehicle looking for a fob.
Yeah, it's me, I'm here - and the lights come on. No passive entry.
So the truck is issuing a challenge all the time (one reason the batteries go down) and the FOB conserves energy by only responding when spoken to.
So the thief can go to the vehicle, send that challenge to the other guy, he relays it to the fob, the fob responds, he relays the response back and so on.
So the fact the vehicle reacts when you approach with a fob shows it's constantly looking and the fob will respond, lights come on.

Back to bottom line - protect the FOB.
If your lights come on upon approach, or they can be set to come on upon approach, it's seeking fobs and that signal can be relayed.
If your fob is shields in the house - it can't respond, the relay won't work.

That's how one guy explaining the various types of fobs and systems explains it (his papers were on power conservation, how fob batteries last so long, etc.)

 

[ecidiego]

Programming their own key in 30 seconds is still a problem. Ravelco is the only thing that eliminates the usefulness of that.

I might do a CAN Bus immobilizer like Ghost II. Ravelco is super invasive and I don't know any installers I'd trust.

 

[bd100]

Your vehicle is always issuing challenges to the FOB - if it reacts when you approach by turning on lights, then the fob has reacted to the signal from the vehicle looking for a fob.

Does any JT do this?

 

[Jbump30]

In the early hours of Jan 3, my much-loved 2022 JT Rubicon Diesel was stolen from my driveway here in Ottawa. It was locked and alarmed (factory) and all that, but the perps very likely had cloned my key fob. I had no idea that this was a thing that, now having read all about it, is extremely common. In fact, a neighbour two streets over had their new Wrangler Unlimited stolen on the very same night.

This was my best build yet, and because I had done it completely on my own, without any pro help, it was very personal. It was my fifth rig and I was getting it ready for a big overland trip this summer. I was very proud of it--Jeepers know how it feels when you put so much of your 'self' into your build.

The insurance adjuster is coming to my place today to go over my documentation and discuss the reimbursement they will offer. It'll be the lesser of:

• Actual purchase price
• Manufacturer's list price w/equipment at time of purchase
• Price of a new similarly equipped replacement vehicle

Sadly it'll end up being the second one--prices were already above list when I got it back in February of 2022. And now, costs are way up, and interest rates are way higher. But that's not the worst of it; it is highly unlikely the thousands I put into it in mods will be covered.

So, here comes the cautionary part of the tale. Do this now if you have a keyless entry/push button start system on your Jeep and you want to KEEP your vehicle.

1. Disable the keyless entry/proximity feature (in the vehicle settings on the infotainment system)
2. Keep your key fobs in a Faraday box at home, away from doors and windows, and a Faraday pouch while in the vehicle or on your person walking about
3. Get a kill-switch - if you go with a DIY or inexpensive one, you must hide that switch well; if you want peace of mind, get a Ghost II system (expensive, but I'll be doing it for my next one)
4. Get a Club or other physical deterrent, like a brake pedal-to-steering wheel bar

The detective assigned to my case told me about 100 vehicles are stolen every single day in Ottawa; in a call he had had with the Insurance Bureau of Canada (or whatever they're called), they said in 2021 alone there were CAD $700M in vehicle thefts. These thieves are organized, and it's big business. They can get those key fob scanners on Amazon. Jeeps and other vehicles go straight to the Port of Montreal and end up overseas.

Don't be complacent like I was. Whatever the cost and inconvenience it may represent, it pales in comparison the pain of losing something you put your heart and soul into.

Chris

So sorry to hear this, man! Thanks for the intel on how to stay vigilant!

 

[legacy_etu]

Sorry to hear about the theft OP. It’s unfortunate that after you work hard, some asshole comes and it’s gone.

would highly recommend a Ravelco on your next ride, hopefully insurance takes care of you.

Most stolen vechicles go to Ghana in Africa and are on a container within 1-2hrs of theft. There’s a website where many people sell them https://jiji.ng/, thats like the Craigslist of Africa. Look at this one. Still has the Cali tags on it. https://jiji.ng/oredo/cars/toyota-h...nt=79431&lid=kH5K1__09RCFsFku&indexPosition=1

I will point out though that the passive locking disable is a waste of time. Modern key fobs communicate with the vechicle all the time, it’s what makes the system work so I understand the disable of the passive system logic but it’s bypassed.

more than likely the thief used the key lock to get in (easy) or broke a rear window to slide in. They then connect to the security gateway and program their own key using an illegal to own locksmith tablet. The problem is these locksmith tools have become easier to get illegally. And off they go.

I had a truck stolen, and used to be a LE officer so I’ve seen this a lot. The charger, challenger, ram TRX owners speak about the same, and Stellantis has patched the key creation issue on charger and challengers with the hemi motors, but not other vechicles. The patch locks out the RFH or the Rf module that controls keys and their rolling codes. Essentially a thief would follow their process but would be unable to program their own key and that’s it.

that said theirs still RF Fob repeating, where if you hang your keys by the door say, a thief goes to your door with the repeater box, another thief pulls your door handle and it opens. This allows the car to start also since it’s your key fob just extended.

Another way which a few folks have said, cloning keys will not start the car. You can enter doors but the ignition system will not start it, the hex codes differ.

so that said IGLA is popular, it’s a anti theft system like compustar but locks out key programming and some other stuff. Not a lot of installers. Or Ravelco, which has never been defeated, highly secure and low tech. Pretty cheap And there’s a lot of installers. I have it on all my cars and the installer travels the east coast to do it at your home. I’d also suggest a secondary GPS module. The built in antenna is usually disconnected right after the thief enters it, so that’s pretty useless if they’re pros, but a secondary module somewhere in the car, would give you a location. Remember, time is their enemy. If it’s not the way they planned (like I’ve described) your car will remain safe. Dont forget also, to install locking hood latches.

thefts have gone down a lot as value has after the crazy appreciation surge, but still a problem.

Thanks for the LEO perspective. That jiji website is nuts.

Looks like there is no Ravelco dealer/installer anywhere near me. How did you manage to get the installer to come to you? Just call the HQ and schedule a install? Never-mind, just found the procedure on their website.

 

[Minty JL]

The issue is that most bad guys know where the security gateway - the firewall is. They know how to bypass it or access the CANbus star connectors. The tazer can only do things while it's there.

My thing is -so what if it requires a code - you remove the tazer and start the truck and drive away.
Unless someone can show it's not a LIVE function, all one has to do is rip it out, start the truck, move along.
Otherwise the tazer will only stop those kids looking for a joy ride - not professionals.
A pro will know about tazer, SGW, etc. If the thing starts then dies, they'll take the panel off and remove tazer - or they'll look there first.

So - is this a tazer LIVE function or does it get into the BCM and set some selectable choices and install a PIN?
If it can do that then so can any software or other device that chooses to do so.

Well shit............if all these companies can make armor and skid plates for under the truck.....why not create an under dash plate that covers the OBD2 and Security Gateways ports???? The make a another similar type product for behind the dash to conceal/block access to the CAN/BUS block.

This will significantly hinder these douchebags with the OBD cloners.

Granted, at the end of the day they can tow it, but it under minds the line of efforts of speed and stealth.

 

[RudeJeepin]

https://brawlerfab.com/product/tazer-shield/

Here's an option to protect a Tazer install for the pin code lock out.

 

[Darkspeed]

So if the tazer has pin lock that locks the brakes and you have it in a protected case, can they still program their way around the tazer?

 

[DaveL]

Aww.. that sucks

The one good reason to not get the factory trail cam then... (We actually didn't opt for it, ourselves, since I'd probably just stick a GoPro up there, with the mobile app running in the cab.


~ Casp

I wanted the trail cam. I'm glad it's there. I think that the Bolt is an incredible design. I *hope* they come out with a solution. I've seen people move the trail cam and then use a Bolt latch. I wish that Jeep would find a way to provide front and rear dash cams.

 

[sharpsicle]

So if the tazer has pin lock that locks the brakes and you have it in a protected case, can they still program their way around the tazer?

With enough effort, anything can be defeated. Anything.

 

[Minty JL]

https://brawlerfab.com/product/tazer-shield/

Here's an option to protect a Tazer install for the pin code lock out.

Nice find.

I'll have to look under the dash to see how and where you mount this.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Nice find.

I'll have to look under the dash to see how and where you mount this.

There's some chatter about it on the JL WRANGLER forum.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

https://brawlerfab.com/product/tazer-shield/

Here's an option to protect a Tazer install for the pin code lock out.

Slow 'em down is all you or it can do, which if they are looking for a quick job and profit, that may be enough.

But frankly, with access to the area back of the glove box.......... they'll have their break-out boxes to plug in there to give them access to anything.

So you'd need to stack up various things to frustrate them to the point of giving up.
You'd be amazed what can be done with simple tools any thief may carry, including a big screwdriver to pry open things.
There's no detail on where that mounts but you'd have to put it up in a deep recess that you can't just take a bar and bend it open. Maybe they do that............

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