Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[Gvsukids]

I'll bring it home. The video is interesting and provocative. I drive a gasoline Gladiator and love it. We are in the golden/final age of IC engines. Some of the best examples ever made, exist right now. Still, I can't wait for a fully sorted electric version! I bet that's soon (less than five years).

Remember when the Golden age of movies was? How about television? They're still around.

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[bleda2002]

Remember when the Golden age of movies was? How about television? They're still around.

Only the government conspiracy crowd actually believes ICE will be gone in less than 20 years. No one with common sense really thinks that the ICE engine wont survive in some applications, especially in the freight/towing/hauling realm where EV's make a lot less sense.

 

[MF Comics]

Only the government conspiracy crowd actually believes ICE will be gone in less than 20 years. No one with common sense really thinks that the ICE engine wont survive in some applications, especially in the freight/towing/hauling realm where EV's make a lot less sense.

With the right regime change, this electric nightmare could come to an end anyway.

with the wrong one, only the rich could afford ICE, while the aforementioned would get heavy discounts, while the rest of us either would be herded into 15 min cities, or get old diesels and create biodiesel fuel

 

[Hootbro]

When it comes to EV's I have the view I am not against them, but just against it being forced upon me through govt. mandate and social engineering.

One thing I have a hard time understanding from the radial pro EV crowd is how they rationalize the winter power loss rates? If I was to come out everyday after filling up my ICE vehicle with fuel and found a 30% loss of fuel I would be pissed as would most other ICE owners to the point there probably would be riots. Yet the EV community at large just accepts this, why?

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss

 

[bleda2002]

When it comes to EV's I have the view I am not against them, but just against it being forced upon me through govt. mandate and social engineering.

One thing I have a hard time understanding from the radial pro EV crowd is how they rationalize the winter power loss rates? If I was to come out everyday after filling up my ICE vehicle with fuel and found a 30% loss of fuel I would be pissed as would most other ICE owners to the point there probably would be riots. Yet the EV community at large just accepts this, why?

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss

The 30% loss is highly misleading since the range loss is mostly attributable to the need for battery heating and climate control and highly depends on model. If you live in the cold, get a car with a heat pump and you'll have very little loss.

BTW ICE waste between 50 and 80% of every gallon of gas' energy already, but we just live with it.

 

[MF Comics]

The 30% loss is highly misleading since the range loss is mostly attributable to the need for battery heating and climate control and highly depends on model. If you live in the cold, get a car with a heat pump and you'll have very little loss.

BTW ICE waste between 50 and 80% of every gallon of gas' energy already, but we just live with it.

Ice Doesnt spontaneously combust and if I run outta gas/diesel, get a jerry can to get a few gallons

actually helped someone back to their car from a gas station recently, he got enough gas for his charger to make it the whole way back to the station too

 

[bleda2002]

Ice Doesnt spontaneously combust and if I run outta gas/diesel, get a jerry can to get a few gallons

actually helped someone back to their car from a gas station recently, he got enough gas for his charger to make it the whole way back to the station too

Ice will if you cut a brake line, lose a heat shield, have your clutch overheat, lose a rod, have a leak, have a short, or a bunch of other reasons and they do it at a higher rate than EVs.

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/fire-fire-my-gladiator-burned-down.58206/


Perhaps this is all part of that government and insurance illuminati scandal.

Also if you are routinely running out of gas, try a gas gauge, 40 years and I still haven't run out of gas driving.

 

[Hootbro]

The 30% loss is highly misleading since the range loss is mostly attributable to the need for battery heating and climate control and highly depends on model. If you live in the cold, get a car with a heat pump and you'll have very little loss.

BTW ICE waste between 50 and 80% of every gallon of gas' energy already, but we just live with it.

Yeah, that is still dismissive of the electricity you pay for just being lost to vehicle prep just sitting.

With ICE, soon as I have enough oil pressure after start, I am moving and not wasting 30% of my fuel conditioning the engine and climate control.

 

[bleda2002]

Yeah, that is still dismissive of the electricity you pay for just being lost to vehicle prep just sitting.

With ICE, soon as I have enough oil pressure after start, I am moving and not wasting 30% of my fuel conditioning the engine and climate control.

I mean technically you are wasting 50-80% of your fuel to heating and conditioning. Just the range indicator already assumes it because you are always losing 50-80% on heat.

Maybe the EVs should just publish their winter range 10-15% below the summer range and then they too can say they don't lose range due to heating.

 

[MF Comics]

Ice will if you cut a brake line, lose a heat shield, have your clutch overheat, lose a rod, have a leak, have a short, or a bunch of other reasons and they do it at a higher rate than EVs.

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/fire-fire-my-gladiator-burned-down.58206/


Perhaps this is all part of that government and insurance illuminati scandal.

Also if you are routinely running out of gas, try a gas gauge, 40 years and I still haven't run out of gas driving.

Not saying it wont, and thats such a heartbreak to see, but if I were a landlord, Id never allow my tenants to park an EV in the garage.

Again, this did happen, and its heartbreaking, but its more rare than the countless videos and articles about EV’s spontaneously combusting.

Again, any car can catch on fire, but its generally more circumstantial and can be prevented if detected, whereas there are (a) thousand(s) cells in a battery and all it takes is one going bad.

 

[bleda2002]

Not saying it wont, and thats such a heartbreak to see, but if I were a landlord, Id never allow my tenants to park an EV in the garage.

Again, this did happen, and its heartbreaking, but its more rare than the countless videos and articles about EV’s spontaneously combusting.

Again, any car can catch on fire, but its generally more circumstantial and can be prevented if detected, whereas there are (a) thousand(s) cells in a battery and all it takes is one going bad.

It's actually not more rare, there have only been about 14-20 spontaneous combustions of EVs in 12 years, but the media makes sure to highlight every single one. It's exceedingly rare, to the point you really are more likely to have the ICE catch fire than the EV. Granted when the EV goes it's much harder to put out, but if it was an issue insurance companies actually would ban it or raise your rates because there would be a measurable trend.

Meanwhile you have major auto makers telling people to park their ICE outside for spontaneous combustions but you don't hear about them on the news.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/ford-lincoln-suvs-fire-risk-engines-off

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...i-kia-vehicles-outside-fire-risk-a1164933239/

 

[MF Comics]

I mean technically you are wasting 50-80% of your fuel to heating and conditioning. Just the range indicator already assumes it because you are always losing 50-80% on heat.

Maybe the EVs should just publish their winter range 10-15% below the summer range and then they too can say they don't lose range due to heating.

In ideal circumstances, you got California weather for your EV all year round, highs arent too high and lows arent too low

Im from Jersey, our weather’s unpredictable, last winter had half a snow day tops and our summer was rainy in july and relatively cool for august, and Im certain it’ll be quite snowy this winter.

Other states have their own weather systems, and also infrastructure, as look at this slightly old article:
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wyoming-legislators-propose-bill-phase-out-evs-2035, and also they can remotely affect the range and limit power to the chargers as well, plus who can forget this?

 

[bleda2002]

In ideal circumstances, you got California weather for your EV all year round, highs arent too high and lows arent too low

Im from Jersey, our weather’s unpredictable, last winter had half a snow day tops and our summer was rainy in july and relatively cool for august, and Im certain it’ll be quite snowy this winter.

Other states have their own weather systems, and also infrastructure, as look at this slightly old article:
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wyoming-legislators-propose-bill-phase-out-evs-2035, and also they can remotely affect the range and limit power to the chargers as well, plus who can forget this?

What does standard northern weather have to do with anything? If you live in cold climates and you want an EV, buy one with a heat pump instead of resistor heating. In Canada and Europe even the models sold here with resistor heating use a heat pump instead and pretty much all new models are going heat pump. That will cut range loss down to 10% percent or even less according to the research posted.

Perhaps in New Jersey you weren't hit but 2021 the south east had no gas, meanwhile my uncle was sitting at empty Tesla stations charging up no issues.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/15/east-coast-gas-shortage-eases-but-prices-at-pump-rise/amp/

"The number of gas stations reporting shortages decreased in Washington D.C. to 80 percent from 88 percent, Reuters reported, citing GasBuddy data. Virginia and North"

It's easy to point to an extreme moment and try to say that's the norm. No type of vehicle is perfect, they all have their drawbacks and advantages, and thankfully could easily coexist if not for people who some how think it has to be one or the other.

 

[MF Comics]

It's actually not more rare, there have only been about 14-20 spontaneous combustions of EVs in 12 years, but the media makes sure to highlight every single one. It's exceedingly rare, to the point you really are more likely to have the ICE catch fire than the EV. Granted when the EV goes it's much harder to put out, but if it was an issue insurance companies actually would ban it or raise your rates because there would be a measurable trend.

Meanwhile you have major auto makers telling people to park their ICE outside for spontaneous combustions but you don't hear about them on the news.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/ford-lincoln-suvs-fire-risk-engines-off

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...i-kia-vehicles-outside-fire-risk-a1164933239/

Are those the ones just here, or reported? What about the buses in Connecticut last year or in China

Ideal world, diesels would be mainstream, around and wouldn’t have the EPA breathing down their necks micromanaging pollutants, so they’d be reliable and efficient

also, there are countless roadtrip and charging fiascos like these in winter

 

[MF Comics]

why defend ev’s anyway? They’re only around because the govts are pushing them on us, its not organic now

as Ive and other said countless times, a regime change is all it’ll take to snuff out this zealous push and disastrous mandates

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