Has anyone disabled telematics / LTE and GPS antennas?

[Waynerd]

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[Waynerd]

Vehicle computers have been recording and storing input data as long as they have been around. Decades. Of course the more inputs a modern car has, the more data it records and the easier it can distribute that data.

We can debate if the Washington Post is a rag or qualifies as a legit source of info, but the source used for the story is a legit company that specializes in using automotive computer forensics to reconstruct accidents for insurance companies and courts.

It's not conspiracy theory that it exists, the question is: there is so many OTHER data sources, does limiting one of thousands really even matter? Do you keep your cell phone off and in a faraday cage along with your ezpass? Are you still watching a "dumb" tv without any internet or cable connection? How secure is your connection to this forum, even? There are privacy issues all around us, and they extend WAY past Uconnect 4.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...-car-know-about-you-we-hacked-chevy-find-out/

I can easily shield any of my devices when I want to. Or leave them at home. Privacy advocates just want to know how to do the same with the one thing not easily left at home.

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[Alpine Warthog]

Yeah tinfoil hattery

no, not really. I'll admit most people aren't worried about companies knowing their intimate details but with companies jumping on social warrior bandwagons, the last thing I need is Jeep shutting my jeep down because I said I grew up loving the General Lee and wanted that orange car growing up. Ya know because now I'm somehow a racist because of it.
Just like certain credit card companies wouldn't allow you to use their cards to process purchases through certain companies (thankfully, they backed off from that) Check this video out on what car companies ARE collecting:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/806574411205612?s=yWDuG2&fs=e&mibextid=Nif5oz

Another:
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...-too-much-personal-information-about-drivers/

 

[Mr._Bill]

no, not really. I'll admit most people aren't worried about companies knowing their intimate details but with companies jumping on social warrior bandwagons, the last thing I need is Jeep shutting my jeep down because I said I grew up loving the General Lee and wanted that orange car growing up. Ya know because now I'm somehow a racist because of it.
Just like certain credit card companies wouldn't allow you to use their cards to process purchases through certain companies (thankfully, they backed off from that) Check this video out on what car companies ARE collecting:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/806574411205612?s=yWDuG2&fs=e&mibextid=Nif5oz

Another:
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...-too-much-personal-information-about-drivers/

It doesn't really matter what they ask for permission to collect. Look at what information the truck can actually collect. The phone app can get more data, but Google and Apple are already collecting that.

Currently, they cannot remotely shut down or disable the vehicle, without prior access to install the ability to do that. The internet tales saying that they can are from efforts in 2015, which led to the installation of the current Security Gateway.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

It doesn't really matter what they ask for permission to collect. Look at what information the truck can actually collect. The phone app can get more data, but Google and Apple are already collecting that.

YES, 100% If there is a sensor (temperature/ mircrophone/ cellular connection) they can collect it and they will. The key is whether or not the vehicle can physically transmit it. When I was shopping for my truck, I specifically stayed away from jeeps that had the better uconnect so I didn't have to worry about that.

Currently, they cannot remotely shut down or disable the vehicle, without prior access to install the ability to do that. The internet tales saying that they can are from efforts in 2015, which led to the installation of the current Security Gateway.

Are you talking about hackers or Jeep itself or Law Enforcement?


The more corporations and governments feel they can impose social justice on people the more you have to worry about their access to your life and fight it where you can. From NYC limiting the size and types of drinks allowed to be sold, to credit card companies creating codes for gun store purchases and even some refusing to allow gun purchases using their cards. Its important to keep my personal information away from them the best I can. DO I have a cell phone? yes. DO I make sure I know what it collects and how? yes. Do I control and intentionally insert information and searches and conversations to make my file full of gibberish? Youbetcha. As far as Google and facebook know I'm a folk artist, tarot card reader, asian-black man that believes the earth is flat, the egyptians didn't build the pyramid, voted for Hillary, Trump is king and I have an unhealthy obsession with crochet, 1980s huffy bicycles. Also who's personal heroes are Michelle Obama, Ross Perot and Karl Probst. OH and Texas rightfully belongs to Mexico. ???

 

[JeepRitz]

I don’t hide things from my insurance carrier. In fact, I had a proactive conversation with them about how this vehicle is used off road to make sure I had the appropriate policy. My policy covers me for off road accidents as well as on. My policy also covers my aftermarket upgrades in the event of a total loss. If I did track days, I’d insure the vehicle for that use, or I’d have enough money to not care about a claim.

Instead of worrying about someone finding out about something, just tell them up front and make sure you’re covered. If you don’t like the answer you get, switch carriers.

As far as warranty is concerned, If I break a part doing serious trails, I’ll replace it. If I couldn’t afford to do that, I’d keep it on easier forest roads. I put my Jeep in situations that could result in damage. Therefore I make sure I’m comfortable fixing it financially if something goes wrong. If someone isn’t, they should keep it at the mall.

And wake on LAN can be turned on by the IT department, and restricted so users can’t turn it off, along with virtually every bios setting.

Good for you.

I don't want FCA or uConnect collecting info on me and building a profile. Period. I don't like it.

Your "wake on LAN" example is incomparable and it makes me cringe watching you try to make it work.

 

[JeepRitz]

YES, 100% If there is a sensor (temperature/ mircrophone/ cellular connection) they can collect it and they will. The key is whether or not the vehicle can physically transmit it. When I was shopping for my truck, I specifically stayed away from jeeps that had the better uconnect so I didn't have to worry about that.


Are you talking about hackers or Jeep itself or Law Enforcement?


The more corporations and governments feel they can impose social justice on people the more you have to worry about their access to your life and fight it where you can. From NYC limiting the size and types of drinks allowed to be sold, to credit card companies creating codes for gun store purchases and even some refusing to allow gun purchases using their cards. Its important to keep my personal information away from them the best I can. DO I have a cell phone? yes. DO I make sure I know what it collects and how? yes. Do I control and intentionally insert information and searches and conversations to make my file full of gibberish? Youbetcha. As far as Google and facebook know I'm a folk artist, tarot card reader, asian-black man that believes the earth is flat, the egyptians didn't build the pyramid, voted for Hillary, Trump is king and I have an unhealthy obsession with crochet, 1980s huffy bicycles. Also who's personal heroes are Michelle Obama, Ross Perot and Karl Probst. OH and Texas rightfully belongs to Mexico. ???

All models of the Jeeps come with Telemantics and onboard diagnostics.

 

[JeepRitz]

Because in reality it's a non-issue right now. (it'll change, though)
If you are in an accident in which you were the stupid one, or do something illegal, it's going to be an issue. If you are in an accident and you have no proof you were not at fault, the car/truck may help you out.

There are instances where it's going to be something to watch - but you can also deal with it (security software on your phone) - when you plug your phone into a vehicle, some of them already suck down your texts, call logs, contacts and so on - and you THINK you erase all that........... do you?

A lot of the info is truly used to improve vehicles, and make driving safer - but....... Tesla uses real cameras to the point China won't allow a Tesla vehicle in certain areas.

There's nothing a vehicle is collecting about me that I'm worried about. Someone may get a laugh about some of it.
There are some things I'm glad vehicles collect. There are some people out there that simply should not be on the roads with us.


What exactly are people so concerned about their vehicle knowing about them or collecting? What EXACTLY is the issue? SPECIFICS........

You are not entitled to, or have access to, any of the Data collected. This Data collection is a one way street.

 

[Great Offender]

So crazy when people get upset at users who want privacy. Just look at the name calling throughout the thread. What's wrong with being a private person who doesn't want to have their information collected and sold? Has anyone tried browsing the internet or tried Amazon or other large corporate web pages with cookies disabled? They won't let you in because it's not enough to make money from the products being sold, they also require scraping any and all personal data they can from your visit to their site. When is it ever enough?

 

[WILDHOBO]

Good for you.

I don't want FCA or uConnect collecting info on me and building a profile. Period. I don't like it.

Your "wake on LAN" example is incomparable and it makes me cringe watching you try to make it work.

Number one, no one cares about you enough to “build a profile”. You’re not that interesting. On the other hand, if you have a reason to hide, maybe newer vehicles shouldn’t be your choice. If you don’t want people paying attention to you, stop posting things on forums.

Number 2, I was responding to someone else’s comment about WOL. How old is this thread? I must have posted that reply a year ago. And the word is incomprehensible. Not incomparable. Your grammar is incomprehensible. See? I used it in a sentence for you.

 

[seven30]

It doesn't really matter what they ask for permission to collect. Look at what information the truck can actually collect. The phone app can get more data, but Google and Apple are already collecting that.

Currently, they cannot remotely shut down or disable the vehicle, without prior access to install the ability to do that. The internet tales saying that they can are from efforts in 2015, which led to the installation of the current Security Gateway.

In the US surveillance oversight and accountability is a joke which is why people are rightly concerned.
One of the most valuable data streams are movement. Even if your truck does not connect its announcing its presence to all towers and that data is retained. Our license plates are scanned by every law enforcement vehicle we pass and that is retained as well.... to ensure our safety.
I feel safe. maybe. kind of. sometimes.

 

[redriderjf87]

As you already pointed out, it is stupid to attempt to disable the telematics for privacy reasons. Only AT&T and SiriusXM have immediate access to your location data. You are much easier to find using the cellular phone you keep with you all the time.

There's nothing stupid about data privacy and data security. No need for childish remarks.

Some don't want or need a separate network connection for their vehicle. Or may not want Jeep making unauthorized updates that could cause a problem. And the general data privacy/security concern of course. An offline system is the most secure.

My Jeep works how I want it without a network connection, so this was helpful info to me.

 

[Mr._Bill]

There's nothing stupid about data privacy and data security. No need for childish remarks.

Some don't want or need a separate network connection for their vehicle. Or may not want Jeep making unauthorized updates that could cause a problem. And the general data privacy/security concern of course. An offline system is the most secure.

My Jeep works how I want it without a network connection, so this was helpful info to me.

Are you calling it childish because it hits home? I didn't say it was stupid to be concerned about security and privacy. I said it was stupid to try and disable Telematics on the Jeep and use security as a reason when you pack around a phone that tracks you and reports back to multiple providers, agencies, etc.

There are no unauthorized updates from Jeep. You authorized all of them when you purchased the vehicle. If you don't want a connected vehicle, then don't buy one that is.

 

[BigG]

I saw a video floating around where a guy took the cell chip out of the head unit, wasn’t on a jeep though but a Chrysler car.

 

[seven30]

Are you calling it childish because it hits home? I didn't say it was stupid to be concerned about security and privacy. I said it was stupid to try and disable Telematics on the Jeep and use security as a reason when you pack around a phone that tracks you and reports back to multiple providers, agencies, etc.

There are no unauthorized updates from Jeep. >>>>>>>>You authorized all of them when you purchased the vehicle. If you don't want a connected vehicle, then don't buy one that is.<<<<<<<

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