Redfour5
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I mean here is a Willy's 2024 for $52,235 MSRP. https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6HJTAG1RL100933
On the above 2024, note the "base price" of 37,895 on a Willy's whereas, the 2023 Willy's base on this one is 38,990. https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6HJTAG0PL556158 There is your first supportive piece of evidence...
Look at what you get on the 2024! They make it difficult to really compare with new and I'm betting, when you can order a 2024, you will NOT be able to "build" 23 anymore. Examples are new "packages" mixing different things together like the Cargo Group with Trail Rail System for 2095 or the "Convenience Group" for 2095... https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6HJTAG4RL104636 (loaded, but still under 60K Willy's. And the safety package is, I believe, the same price as 23, but you also get the automatic high beam headlight thing which is new I believe.
And then underpinning it all is the "real" rear locker as part of the base Willy's package along with a premium light package (LED), in conjunction with a 3.73 rear axle and NOT the wide Dana 44's which is the ONLY way it comes in earlier years. And then the eye candy of the big 12.3 screen on all of them and a few other goodies not available in previous years. The rear locker on the short Dana's and 3.73 ought to be interesting to hear what people have to say about that. I would have liked to have that as an option.
And another thing I am not seeing mentioned much is improved sound proofing. Supposedly they have done many of the things that are presently after market improvements, floor and doors, since it appears to really bug a lot of people... If they were going to do that, they should have just made headliners standard though.
So, using that base Willy's above (first link), it looks like you are getting more of the "core" true Jeep stuff...cheaper AND, I'm pretty sure the base items on like a Willy's are directly targeted against the competition particularly the rear "real" locker and the big screen. These distinguishe the JEEP and defines it differently from the competition that has been eating the Gladiator's lunch over the last year or more being less expensive. You want a mid size pick up with meh accessories that goes over speed bumps pretty well...or how about a Willy's with a real rear locker for under 50K (soft top) and with incentives even below 45K. THAT competes with a Colorado all day long... which doesn't have a "sun roof" built in or doors you can take off...
This is interesting if my observations are in the ball park. Of course I'm the guy who said IF Jeep had made the Renegade flat towable they would have sold at least a million more as you will find MOST Rvers looking for Toads have considered them before being told no... I sometimes wonder at Jeep's marketing people.
This is interesting.
On the above 2024, note the "base price" of 37,895 on a Willy's whereas, the 2023 Willy's base on this one is 38,990. https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6HJTAG0PL556158 There is your first supportive piece of evidence...
Look at what you get on the 2024! They make it difficult to really compare with new and I'm betting, when you can order a 2024, you will NOT be able to "build" 23 anymore. Examples are new "packages" mixing different things together like the Cargo Group with Trail Rail System for 2095 or the "Convenience Group" for 2095... https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C6HJTAG4RL104636 (loaded, but still under 60K Willy's. And the safety package is, I believe, the same price as 23, but you also get the automatic high beam headlight thing which is new I believe.
And then underpinning it all is the "real" rear locker as part of the base Willy's package along with a premium light package (LED), in conjunction with a 3.73 rear axle and NOT the wide Dana 44's which is the ONLY way it comes in earlier years. And then the eye candy of the big 12.3 screen on all of them and a few other goodies not available in previous years. The rear locker on the short Dana's and 3.73 ought to be interesting to hear what people have to say about that. I would have liked to have that as an option.
And another thing I am not seeing mentioned much is improved sound proofing. Supposedly they have done many of the things that are presently after market improvements, floor and doors, since it appears to really bug a lot of people... If they were going to do that, they should have just made headliners standard though.
So, using that base Willy's above (first link), it looks like you are getting more of the "core" true Jeep stuff...cheaper AND, I'm pretty sure the base items on like a Willy's are directly targeted against the competition particularly the rear "real" locker and the big screen. These distinguishe the JEEP and defines it differently from the competition that has been eating the Gladiator's lunch over the last year or more being less expensive. You want a mid size pick up with meh accessories that goes over speed bumps pretty well...or how about a Willy's with a real rear locker for under 50K (soft top) and with incentives even below 45K. THAT competes with a Colorado all day long... which doesn't have a "sun roof" built in or doors you can take off...
This is interesting if my observations are in the ball park. Of course I'm the guy who said IF Jeep had made the Renegade flat towable they would have sold at least a million more as you will find MOST Rvers looking for Toads have considered them before being told no... I sometimes wonder at Jeep's marketing people.
This is interesting.
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