Gas mileage is concerning..

[Gvsukids]

Winter gas, gas engine-- yes, its normal. Never should have bought a Jeep if you were concerned with mpg... should have bought a diesel, I get 25 mpg on the highway with 37s and a 3" lift!

And around here you would pay $1 more per gallon for fuel.

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[PuddleJumper]

So I have a new JT overland and the gas mileage is not impressive. I've mainly drove in the city but really short commutes. Farthest I've taken it on the highway is maybe about 15 miles. Right now it's showing me my average is 14.3 mpg. Is this standard? Everything I've read has said it should be about 17 city, 23 highway. This is my first Jeep, so maybe this is just expected lol. But curious to see what other's have experienced!

I get 23 highway with a RTT and about 300lbs of gear. I get 15.7 daily commute. Staying below 65 and using cruise control when applicable helps a lot. I only see 14 if im hauling ass or towing. lowest i got was 13.7 towing 7000k+. definitely see single digits accelerating or climbing inclines. Despite all this though, at the end of the day its a brick in design. Its only saving grace is the 8 speed trans as far as efficiency is concerned. I have a V8 swap lined up in the future to squeeze out for highway range. I'm sure it'll cost me a fair bit of city mpg.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I get 23 highway with a RTT and about 300lbs of gear. I get 15.7 daily commute. Staying below 65 and using cruise control when applicable helps a lot. I only see 14 if im hauling ass or towing. lowest i got was 13.7 towing 7000k+. definitely see single digits accelerating or climbing inclines. Despite all this though, at the end of the day its a brick in design. Its only saving grace is the 8 speed trans as far as efficiency is concerned. I have a V8 swap lined up in the future to squeeze out for highway range. I'm sure it'll cost me a fair bit of city mpg.

Not sure if you are using hyperbole, trying to brag, or just being dingy because you have a Mojave and towing "7,000+" is just STUPID
That's 1,000 over the max tow rating for a Mojave. And it would be dumb even with a Rubicon with a max rating of 7,000 pounds.
There's just no way you got "lowest 13.7" towing over 7,000 pounds with a Mojave.
13.7 would be a good number to get, not the lowest. Even with a lighter load and factory sized tires, that's hard to achieve on a gasser
Cruise is also not recommended with anything other that "light loads" and going waaay over the factory numbers in cruise can't get better mpg than a good driver can with their own foot. (I've proven this over and over - cruise with a heavy load nets lower mpg, not better)
But seeing a couple of other posts, I do see a pattern.
15.7 daily commute and then to say 13.7 lowest when towing? Naw.
You are rated for 6,000 pounds MAX and smart people keep it under the max by 15-20%.
over 7,000 pound trailer also says over 700 pounds tongue weight and you are rated at 600 max.
Thankful you don't live around here towing like that.
but again, I see a pattern recently so take this all with both a grain of salt - and understanding the intent talking of burnouts and drifting and all.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Not sure if you are using hyperbole, trying to brag, or just being dingy because you have a Mojave and towing "7,000+" is just STUPID
That's 1,000 over the max tow rating for a Mojave. And it would be dumb even with a Rubicon with a max rating of 7,000 pounds.
There's just no way you got "lowest 13.7" towing over 7,000 pounds with a Mojave.
13.7 would be a good number to get, not the lowest. Even with a lighter load and factory sized tires, that's hard to achieve on a gasser
Cruise is also not recommended with anything other that "light loads" and going waaay over the factory numbers in cruise can't get better mpg than a good driver can with their own foot. (I've proven this over and over - cruise with a heavy load nets lower mpg, not better)
But seeing a couple of other posts, I do see a pattern.
15.7 daily commute and then to say 13.7 lowest when towing? Naw.
You are rated for 6,000 pounds MAX and smart people keep it under the max by 15-20%.
over 7,000 pound trailer also says over 700 pounds tongue weight and you are rated at 600 max.
Thankful you don't live around here towing like that.
but again, I see a pattern recently so take this all with both a grain of salt - and understanding the intent talking of burnouts and drifting and all.

The only reason the mojave is less than the 7700 capable by the max tow sport, is the soft ass rear springs. I have them switched out for higher capacity ones. U can still use cruise control and be in M holding 6th or lower as needed, then just watch your trans temp and as long as it isn't getting hot your fine. Never broke 201F. Also was towing on pretty flat highway with the 7k load. Ima go get my phone and reply to this with a pic for proof. it was towing my buddies fully built GX470 on 35's which is about 6200lbs plus the U-haul car trailer which makes the difference. Besides if the uhaul calculater said i could do it then F'it why not imo. Idk why your pressed about it though. its not your truck.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Not sure if you are using hyperbole, trying to brag, or just being dingy because you have a Mojave and towing "7,000+" is just STUPID
That's 1,000 over the max tow rating for a Mojave. And it would be dumb even with a Rubicon with a max rating of 7,000 pounds.
There's just no way you got "lowest 13.7" towing over 7,000 pounds with a Mojave.
13.7 would be a good number to get, not the lowest. Even with a lighter load and factory sized tires, that's hard to achieve on a gasser
Cruise is also not recommended with anything other that "light loads" and going waaay over the factory numbers in cruise can't get better mpg than a good driver can with their own foot. (I've proven this over and over - cruise with a heavy load nets lower mpg, not better)
But seeing a couple of other posts, I do see a pattern.
15.7 daily commute and then to say 13.7 lowest when towing? Naw.
You are rated for 6,000 pounds MAX and smart people keep it under the max by 15-20%.
over 7,000 pound trailer also says over 700 pounds tongue weight and you are rated at 600 max.
Thankful you don't live around here towing like that.
but again, I see a pattern recently so take this all with both a grain of salt - and understanding the intent talking of burnouts and drifting and all.

and as far as fuel economy, your probably right that it was lower cus i didn't reset the mileage. Its just what my avg went to after i was done towing. went back up to 15 after i drove home.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The only reason the mojave is less than the 7700 capable by the max tow sport, is the soft ass rear springs. I have them switched out for higher capacity ones.

Bull crap. Pure and simple. No, it's not. I guess you haven't been following along.
Springs aren't the issue.
You haven't followed the science behind towing.
Did you ever stop to wonder why the Rubicon has 7,000 pound towing and the Mojave only 6,000 pounds?
It's sure not springs.
You are just plain being dangerous to yourself and everyone else out there if you truly believe what you say.
Not my truck but others out there will see that bunk and believe they can do it and do it safely.
Everyone here has agreed - these trucks just can't do it safely. We've talked about this here for years. Even braking is impacted. Larger tires reduce braking capacity. That much tongue weight ensures that you'll lose it in an emergency situation. It's over for the hitch and the truck.
UHAUL is a JOKE! You believe what their stuff says? LOL Get into an accident, get sued, and see how UHAUL helps you out.
You take the uhaul "calculator" over the door stickers and book that Jeep puts out, and the experiences of dozens of people here?

There's a lot of lack of logic and understanding what truly makes tow ratings and abilities............

 

[ShadowsPapa]

and as far as fuel economy, your probably right that it was lower cus i didn't reset the mileage. Its just what my avg went to after i was done towing. went back up to 15 after i drove home.

Ah, you use the cluster mpg............

A picture doesn't make it right, just that you did it.

A person could probably pull 8,000 pounds on a flat without any situations arising, but that doesn't make it right, good or safe. Justifying it with "springs are the different" and "uhaul said I could" still doesn't mean you should or that you won't kill someone.
Also looks to me like there was some sway there..........

 

[Vincent]

when folks ask me what miles per gallon... I always reply: "it is a jeep... it is about smiles per gallon"

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[PuddleJumper]

Bull crap. Pure and simple. No, it's not. I guess you haven't been following along.
Springs aren't the issue.
You haven't followed the science behind towing.
Did you ever stop to wonder why the Rubicon has 7,000 pound towing and the Mojave only 6,000 pounds?
It's sure not springs.
You are just plain being dangerous to yourself and everyone else out there if you truly believe what you say.
Not my truck but others out there will see that bunk and believe they can do it and do it safely.
Everyone here has agreed - these trucks just can't do it safely. We've talked about this here for years. Even braking is impacted. Larger tires reduce braking capacity. That much tongue weight ensures that you'll lose it in an emergency situation. It's over for the hitch and the truck.
UHAUL is a JOKE! You believe what their stuff says? LOL Get into an accident, get sued, and see how UHAUL helps you out.
You take the uhaul "calculator" over the door stickers and book that Jeep puts out, and the experiences of dozens of people here?

There's a lot of lack of logic and understanding what truly makes tow ratings and abilities............

ok what is the difference between the Rubi and the Mojave? Same axle, same arms, same trans, same motor, same brakes, same hitch, same tires. The only thing different part number wise is the coils and shocks. And what about it is unsafe. Under 60, far right lane, giving myself all the space. If you’re too scared to tow that’s fine. And as far as liability, that shit flys out the window as soon as you mod your truck. LED bulbs, not DOT, aftermarket wheels, the list goes on. You can be thrown the legal book for anything man. That’s why we have lawyers. Just cus you did it doesn’t mean you’re guilty. All I’ve done is proved these trucks can go above and beyond in a pinch. And you’re mad. You gonna be mad when someone runs no oem arms and coils for crazy rock crawling but still highways? You’re picking and choosing here. There’s rules even you don’t follow, but I’m the only idiot. Yeah ok sure buddy.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Ah, you use the cluster mpg............

A picture doesn't make it right, just that you did it.

A person could probably pull 8,000 pounds on a flat without any situations arising, but that doesn't make it right, good or safe. Justifying it with "springs are the different" and "uhaul said I could" still doesn't mean you should or that you won't kill someone.
Also looks to me like there was some sway there..........

Fair, fair and fair. Also sway bar is probably softer than the other trims that’s why I’m doing 10 under.

 

[Gvsukids]

what is the difference between the Rubi and the Mojave?

Different shocks, springs, front locker, disconnect motor, hood.

Fair, fair and fair. Also sway bar is probably softer than the other trims that’s why I’m doing 10 under.

Same one.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Different shocks, springs, front locker, disconnect motor, hood.

Same one.

so that would imply the important ones like the spring and sway bar would be the only defining difference in the 1k jump of towing capacity between the two. I got the spring covered and drove slower. Thats minimizing risk in my book. And i understand if thats not adquate to others. But what else u gonna do? No tow truck avaible, no uhaul truck avaible and a stranded buddy. Ill take what u haul got and make it work. Its not like im doing this regularly. It happened one time. the only regular is my 4k camper.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Also sway bar is probably softer than the other trims that’s why I’m doing 10 under.

SMART.

Mojave is a perfect purpose-designed vehicle, and good ride, all around decent daily driver but there will be things that were changed to make it the best in the world in sand dunes that will take away from certain other things.
FCA aimed each level at different things - there's a lot of crossing lines, but when you design for a specific purpose, you can't make it perfect in all things.

ok what is the difference between the Rubi and the Mojave? Same axle, same arms, same trans, same motor, same brakes, same hitch, same tires. The only thing different part number wise is the coils and shocks.

Center of gravity is one thing. (I've not compared weights on identically equipped M vs. R- but weight matters, too)
It's a huge player. Once a vehicle is taller, it loses stability towing.

And as far as liability, that shit flys out the window as soon as you mod your truck. LED bulbs, not DOT, aftermarket wheels, the list goes on. You can be thrown the legal book for anything man. That’s why we have lawyers.

Talking only towing.
There's a lot of stupid stuff that's done, but usually not as risky as towing.
I've spoken on the phone with a state trooper about payloads and towing and so on - he's said right out that he can't stop you unless he can see something like sway or other obvious issues, but went on to say - if you are in an accident, and they investigate, and an attorney comes in from any injured party seeking any compensation or so on - then you are likely to lose. I've worked with those guys off and on over the years - they've seen a lot.
If your trailer started to sway and there was impact with another vehicle, that's where the attorneys come in and it's you that loses. (sway bars aren't for towing - when I said there was sway, I meant trailer / vehicle sway, the type when loads are not perfectly setup)

Just cus you did it doesn’t mean you’re guilty. All I’ve done is proved these trucks can go above and beyond in a pinch. And you’re mad.

?? Just cus you did it doesn't mean you're guilty? LOL Uh, yeah.
I'm not mad, just pointing out silliness - especially with a uhaul trailer and their figuring it was ok. Heck, uhaul said I could not haul a 3300 pound Eagle wagon behind a Silverado!
Not mad at all. Just saying that there's a whole lot of misunderstanding on what constitutes tow ratings on trucks and what's safe or not.
We've been all through that "it's just springs" or whatever for years here.
And sway bars again don't figure in. Those are for unladen vehicles performance around corners, curves and braking. They don't figure in trailer towing down the highway.
Sway bars are another grossly misunderstood thing.

 

[PuddleJumper]

SMART.

Mojave is a perfect purpose-designed vehicle, and good ride, all around decent daily driver but there will be things that were changed to make it the best in the world in sand dunes that will take away from certain other things.
FCA aimed each level at different things - there's a lot of crossing lines, but when you design for a specific purpose, you can't make it perfect in all things.



Center of gravity is one thing. (I've not compared weights on identically equipped M vs. R- but weight matters, too)
It's a huge player. Once a vehicle is taller, it loses stability towing.


Talking only towing.
There's a lot of stupid stuff that's done, but usually not as risky as towing.
I've spoken on the phone with a state trooper about payloads and towing and so on - he's said right out that he can't stop you unless he can see something like sway or other obvious issues, but went on to say - if you are in an accident, and they investigate, and an attorney comes in from any injured party seeking any compensation or so on - then you are likely to lose. I've worked with those guys off and on over the years - they've seen a lot.
If your trailer started to sway and there was impact with another vehicle, that's where the attorneys come in and it's you that loses. (sway bars aren't for towing - when I said there was sway, I meant trailer / vehicle sway, the type when loads are not perfectly setup)



?? Just cus you did it doesn't mean you're guilty? LOL Uh, yeah.
I'm not mad, just pointing out silliness - especially with a uhaul trailer and their figuring it was ok. Heck, uhaul said I could not haul a 3300 pound Eagle wagon behind a Silverado!
Not mad at all. Just saying that there's a whole lot of misunderstanding on what constitutes tow ratings on trucks and what's safe or not.
We've been all through that "it's just springs" or whatever for years here.
And sway bars again don't figure in. Those are for unladen vehicles performance around corners, curves and braking. They don't figure in trailer towing down the highway.
Sway bars are another grossly misunderstood thing.

OK lets revisit. You are not wrong. you've made nothing but fair points (a bit hostile imo but you do you). Im not saying anyone SHOULD do it, im just saying i HAVE done. and i did it SAFELY AS POSSIBLE. it was a one time thing that i thought was pretty cool cus the truck made it seem far more effortless than i thought it was going to be. (i was quoting Better call Saul, to invite some laughs). I agree with you, just not how your presenting it as if have spit in the face of the hard working engineers at Stellantis. I just don't like being scolded ok, i know im idiot sometimes, i dont like being reminded. the only reason we are here rn is because you said it couldn't be done. I proved other wise and you shifted to it "shouldn't" be done. Well yeah but we do a million things that we shouldn't do and never cast a second thought. doesn't make it right but it does make it a farely large boat to be standing in. I was saving a stranded buddy that needed to get home to his family before a winter storm hit. that trailer was the only option presented to me. besides we did it slow, at midnight with minimal traffic, and pulled though. risk was minimized as much as possible. Also it was windy as shit and i can't do anything about that.

 

[bucolic]

Also looks to me like there was some sway there..........

Doesn't look like there was some sway there...there was a lot of sway there!

He was one emergency maneuver away from having 14,000 lbs of scrap metal for his estate to dispose of.

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