Complaining aside, what would be a dealbreaker?

[2020 SCRAMBLER]

This truck has to be starting off in the mid $30s and fully optioned with everything and a diesel at mid $50s MSRP. With discounts that get you back under $50K with some negotiation.

At those price points this vehicle has to have fat margins for FCA. So why try to kill sales by trying to milk another $10K per unit out of it. Instead, crank these out in volume at the already fat profit margin and sell every one.

How else could FCA justify all the development and tearing out the JK production line and replacing it with the JT production line if they didn't plan to produce this truck in volume? Otherwise just make the JLs on two lines and forego the JT.

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[KingRZ]

* Less offroad worthy than its competitors.

* Pricing

 

[Karnaj]

* Less offroad worthy than its competitors.

* Pricing

That's one thing I do have confidence in... so you're only worried about the price?

 

[Billy]

I have a JLU Rubicon spec'd out with 3.6 & manual, cloth seats, hard top, towing, cold weather and remote keyless entry. MSRP is around $46k, but saw one offered exactly like this for $42k. If I can get a JT Rubi for around $46k I'm all in!

 

[KingRZ]

That's one thing I do have confidence in... so you're only worried about the price?

I have confidence too but what its going up against like the raptor ranger and zr2 its interesting to see what areas each vehicle is best at. So many good options. Im always trying to get the most for my money too so we will see what each cost and how much is the gap in performance and other factors but im leaning 100% more towards the JT.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

Hey, the good news is regardless of the price we all have another 8-12+ months to save for it.

 

[eternus]

Hey, the good news is regardless of the price we all have another 8-12+ months to save for it.

No shortage of silver lining in this guy's clouds.

 

[bairdy380]

Starting to seriously question the arrival/release date in Aust....I'm hanging on to my existing rig...but the intial plan was to upgrade to the Jeep in early 19....which then puts my existing in 10yr + category. Re-sale drops dramatically for me...so longer Jeep takes, the less likely financially I can wait. Quite a conundrum.
So I have to add arival date to my list of "needs"

 

[Ian cj10]

yes arrival date concerns me also the wait is becoming painful the jl isnt even here yet

 

[Raylan Givens]

This truck has to be starting off in the mid $30s and fully optioned with everything and a diesel at mid $50s MSRP. With discounts that get you back under $50K with some negotiation.

At those price points this vehicle has to have fat margins for FCA. So why try to kill sales by trying to milk another $10K per unit out of it. Instead, crank these out in volume at the already fat profit margin and sell every one.

How else could FCA justify all the development and tearing out the JK production line and replacing it with the JT production line if they didn't plan to produce this truck in volume? Otherwise just make the JLs on two lines and forego the JT.

Rubicon and Sahara JLs already exceed $50k with the 3.6L, fully optioned closer to $60K. Add in an increase for the truck components and a diesel engine and you are above $60K.

 

[2020 SCRAMBLER]

Yeah, I'm not buying the rumors that JT Gladiators will be $60K+ vehicles. Here's why...

The JL Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options is $42,940 MSRP including destination charge.

People are routinely getting 5% off MSRP and as much as 6.5% off INVOICE price. Read here for example: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...p-just-ordered-6-5-off-invoice-on-2019.15101/

Applying that 6.5% discount to the above $42,940 MSRP (not the INVOICE price as he achieved) lands you $40,148 final price before taxes on a Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options.

Now, let's assume the following amounts for MSRP occurs on Gladiators:
+ $1,000 Gladiator upcharge from JL Wrangler 4 door
+ $4,000 Diesel engine
+ $2,000 Automatic Transmission
That's +$7,000. Apply 6.5% off and you are at $6,545 in upgrades.

Leaves you a total of $46,693 final price for a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel Automatic with no other options after 6.5% MSRP discount.

There's no way in hell im paying the ridiculous FCA prices on options like $700 trailer hitches, $900 LED lights, and $1,300 bumpers when I can buy arguably better alternatives for each item through the aftermarket.

If you are paying over $50K for a Wrangler Rubicon or Sahara and closer to $60K with options then you aren't doing your homework on pricing, loading up with IMHO unnecessary over priced options, or simply letting the dealer reach into your wallet.

There's no way JT Gladiators will routinely sell for over $60K. Using my $46.6K example above, there's absolutely not +$14K of utility one can get out of a truck bed added to a JL Wrangler.

As others stated In other posts, if spending $60K+, there are many other arguably better vehicles available in the marketplace.

Will there be dealer price gouging initially? Sure. But the volume dealers will know better than to play stupid pricing games.

 

[Raylan Givens]

Yeah, I'm not buying the rumors that JT Gladiators will be $60K+ vehicles. Here's why...

The JL Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options is $42,940 MSRP including destination charge.

People are routinely getting 5% off MSRP and as much as 6.5% off INVOICE price. Read here for example: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...p-just-ordered-6-5-off-invoice-on-2019.15101/

Applying that 6.5% discount to the above $42,940 MSRP (not the INVOICE price as he achieved) lands you $40,148 final price before taxes on a Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options.

Now, let's assume the following amounts for MSRP occurs on Gladiators:
+ $1,000 Gladiator upcharge from JL Wrangler 4 door
+ $4,000 Diesel engine
+ $2,000 Automatic Transmission
That's +$7,000. Apply 6.5% off and you are at $6,545 in upgrades.

Leaves you a total of $46,693 final price for a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel Automatic with no other options after 6.5% MSRP discount.

There's no way in hell im paying the ridiculous FCA prices on options like $700 trailer hitches, $900 LED lights, and $1,300 bumpers when I can buy arguably better alternatives for each item through the aftermarket.

If you are paying over $50K for a Wrangler Rubicon or Sahara and closer to $60K with options then you aren't doing your homework on pricing, loading up with IMHO unnecessary over priced options, or simply letting the dealer reach into your wallet.

There's no way JT Gladiators will routinely sell for over $60K. Using my $46.6K example above, there's absolutely not +$14K of utility one can get out of a truck bed added to a JL Wrangler.

As others stated In other posts, if spending $60K+, there are many other arguably better vehicles available in the marketplace.

Will there be dealer price gouging initially? Sure. But the volume dealers will know better than to play stupid pricing games.

Of course many people are not paying sticker, but the MSRP of a loaded Rubicon is near $60K. I just configured one for over $58K with the turbo engine. Add in your $1000 for the pickup, which I think is too low, anoher $2000 for the diesel and you have exceeded $60K. Using the Tread Lightly discount or one of the dealers offering 5% below invoice will be back down in the mid 50K range for pricing. I think you will routinely see JTs priced above $55k with the diesel. If you get a 3.6 with the manual and no options then yes you will be paying somewhere closer to $40K

 

[2020 SCRAMBLER]

Appears a 2 door Wrangler Rubicon is $39,440 including destination charge. That's $3,500 less than an equivalent 4 door Wrangler Rubicon.

But you are getting +2 doors, more hard/soft top, stretched chassis for the $3,500 upcharge.

You bring up a good point and $1,000 upcharge might be too low. But a full +$3,500 is too much as you aren't getting any extra doors...just an extra ~3 - 3.5' of bed space over the JL. So maybe $2,000 - $2,500 upcharge?

Still has me $48,600 - $49,100 out the door with a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel Automatic.

 

[Raylan Givens]

Appears a 2 door Wrangler Rubicon is $39,440 including destination charge. That's $3,500 less than an equivalent 4 door Wrangler Rubicon.

But you are getting +2 doors, more hard/soft top, stretched chassis for the $3,500 upcharge.

You bring up a good point and $1,000 upcharge might be too low. But a full +$3,500 is too much as you aren't getting any extra doors...just an extra ~3 - 3.5' of bed space over the JL. So maybe $2,000 - $2,500 upcharge?

Still has me $48,600 - $49,100 out the door with a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel Automatic.

I could be wrong, but I thought the axles and some other components were different on the JT. So while it is not adding another set of doors and seats, it is adding the pickup bed, different frame, and whatever other components are getting upgraded to account for the increased towing capacity

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

Yeah, I'm not buying the rumors that JT Gladiators will be $60K+ vehicles. Here's why...

The JL Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options is $42,940 MSRP including destination charge.

People are routinely getting 5% off MSRP and as much as 6.5% off INVOICE price. Read here for example: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...p-just-ordered-6-5-off-invoice-on-2019.15101/

Applying that 6.5% discount to the above $42,940 MSRP (not the INVOICE price as he achieved) lands you $40,148 final price before taxes on a Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with no options.

Now, let's assume the following amounts for MSRP occurs on Gladiators:
+ $1,000 Gladiator upcharge from JL Wrangler 4 door
+ $4,000 Diesel engine
+ $2,000 Automatic Transmission
That's +$7,000. Apply 6.5% off and you are at $6,545 in upgrades.

Leaves you a total of $46,693 final price for a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel Automatic with no other options after 6.5% MSRP discount.

There's no way in hell im paying the ridiculous FCA prices on options like $700 trailer hitches, $900 LED lights, and $1,300 bumpers when I can buy arguably better alternatives for each item through the aftermarket.

If you are paying over $50K for a Wrangler Rubicon or Sahara and closer to $60K with options then you aren't doing your homework on pricing, loading up with IMHO unnecessary over priced options, or simply letting the dealer reach into your wallet.

There's no way JT Gladiators will routinely sell for over $60K. Using my $46.6K example above, there's absolutely not +$14K of utility one can get out of a truck bed added to a JL Wrangler.

As others stated In other posts, if spending $60K+, there are many other arguably better vehicles available in the marketplace.

Will there be dealer price gouging initially? Sure. But the volume dealers will know better than to play stupid pricing games.

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