Sugar in gas tank, help!

[cug]

There's pretty much no reason for a locking gas cap on a Gladiator - except to prevent things being added, because as we've discussed in other threads, you can't siphon from these tanks.
And a locking gas cap automatically means a hole in the tank - again, it's been discussed - lose some gas or have to replace a tank?

You are contradicting yourself in that paragraph: It's impossible to siphon from the tank AND a lock means a hole in the gas tank? Sorry, I don't follow. It's ZERO issue to add a lock to the door in front of the gas tank that opens with the central locking (or a pull with a wire for those still in the 19th century). Or a gas cap that CAN be locked but doesn't have to be.

For the hood, it's the same thing – just like EVERY other car. Or a lock on the hood that can be left open.

We don't have to live in a fantasy world where everything is as it was a hundred years ago. It's not hard to make these things better without compromising current functionality or different preferences whether or not to use these.

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[ShadowsPapa]

You are contradicting yourself in that paragraph: It's impossible to siphon from the tank AND a lock means a hole in the gas tank? Sorry, I don't follow.

Why am I contradicting myself - you are talking generic security on vehicles in general with your comment (quoted below).
while the Jeep JT can't be siphoned from, making a locking gas cap standard on vehicles like you are advocating for means holes in gas tanks.
For the JT, they have no choice. Hole in tank.
For others, I'd rather not have a locking cap, let them steel the gas. If they put sugar in, they put sugar in but that is sooo last century. What are the odds?
So why are you locking your gas tank? To prevent sugar being put in? How easy is that to accomplish?
And why would they - because they still believe the myth (lie) that it turns into some monster mass that totally destroys fuel systems?

You said -

It is beyond me how cars come without such incredibly simple tempering prevention.

No need for a locking cap on the JT - if they want the gas, it's a hole in the tank. So why are you bothering to lock the gas tank?

For other cars - "cars come without ........." I'd rather they come with no locking cap.
I'd rather have gas stolen than a tank destroyed (talking about other vehicles, non-Gladiators)

Make those things options, fine - but you appeared to be advocating making them standard equipment. I hated the capless filler on the Grand Cherokee (although I fully understand why the 4xe has a latched fill, that makes sense, and it's not for "security" in any stretch)

 

[JeeperFIN]

Are you referring to the "NOZZLE RESTRICTOR" like all cars have or is there an actual flap somewhere ? Several threads on it... the diesel guys are pulling out the restrictors in order to fit the larger 18 wheel hi-flo diesel nozzles... atleast with mine, since removal, I have to be careful not to overfill... no other flap seems to be affecting this.

No, there is another flap in the tank end of the fill hose. I found it when i tried to install diesel heater inlet pipe to the fuel filler hose.

I also removed the nozzle restrictor, have to also careful when filling from truck nozzle.

 

[cug]

Make those things options, fine - but you appeared to be advocating making them standard equipment. I hated the capless filler on the Grand Cherokee (although I fully understand why the 4xe has a latched fill, that makes sense, and it's not for "security" in any stretch)

Of course I advocate making them standard. In an intelligent way - locks that CAN be left open by choice, or are so simple to operate that you won't even think about it. I've had the tank cover tied into the central locking system for DECADES and never had a single issue with it.

It's not always about destroying something – although very often it is. Sugar in the tank is nasty. But messing with the electrics, disconnecting batteries, pulling cables of some of the spark plugs, BIC lighters in the exhaust, whatever other craziness, I've seen so many things and I've only worked in that area for a year in the early 90s.

I would NEVER EVER have a vehicle without a locking gas cap and a locking hood. NEVER. Nowhere in the world. It's not about "safety", it's about keeping away stupid morons who mess with your stuff for fun or because of some mental issues they have. Having no locks on things makes it too easy for these people.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And yet over 50 years of driving, ownership of all sorts of equipment from tractors to trucks to pickups to cars, motorcycles, etc. - never once had a problem. So for me - no locking gas cap.
The risk is so extremely small for something being put in, no thanks.
I have had locking caps on cars I've bought in the past - and promptly take them off and put on standard caps.
In all of my years as a tech/mechanic, never once did we have a vehicle come in with anything "added" that wasn't put in by the owner (one guy thought white gas was merely unleaded - it's kerosene)
Not a single vehicle ever came in to any shop I worked in for fuel system problems.
So i still see it as such a low risk............
Hoods, that's different. Batteries are worth money and extremely easy to steal (except from certain vehicles - good luck getting to the 12v battery in a 4xe Grand Cherokee)
There's stuff to mess with and steal there. In some parts of the country (southern and coastal CALIFORNIA is big for missing batteries) missing batteries are a really big thing. 7 bucks scrap prices at the least.
But I'm only ever concerned outside of this state - or in our college towns.

I can point to known, first-hand accounts of gas being stolen not far from here (about an hour away) where owners came out to find their tank empty, gas cap still in place (they don't bother even attempting to siphon when stealing gas, takes too much time) every vehicle had a hole in the tank. Cap sure helped all of those people.

(CA, you live in a hotbed, of course it's a big deal there)

 

[Stuntman Mike]

The tech existed for as long as I can remember (about 50 years or so ...). It isn't rocket science. Although, maybe for Jeep and Toyota it seems like it ...

Even my old Mercedes 450 SLC has it and I thought the Gladiator has it too and that it is standard on all modern cars, apart from Lada.

In fact I was wondering why my Gladiator has additionally a lockable cap until I realized that the filler door will not lock ...

 

[ZoMojave]

The day I took delivery is the day I installed a locking gas cap. Too many peeps that are jealous of other peeps nice things.

Pretty sad.

Edit: And the second mod on day one was locking hood latches.

 

[ZoMojave]

Funny, they did not touch my Challenger or the two vehicles outside. This is just getting weirder.
Varooom

Quite frankly, I am surprised that your HC is still present with those bold enough to enter garages and sabotage vehicles in your area. The HC is one of the most stolen vehicles in America today.

 

[legacy_etu]

We used to move VW Bugs around too. The one time we went to pick one up by the bumpers. We ripped both bumpers off. Where the bumpers mounted on the body was rusted out. Ooops.

Was working on-site at an oil refinery during their outage. Was on nightshift. We watched a forklift operator out in the parking lot picking up vehicles and moving them around. In about 2 hours, he had moved about 3 dozen vehicles to different spots.

Another time. Watched a crane operator and a crew of riggers move a foreman's truck. They picked it up and moved it to a restricted area from the parking lot.

Ha, me and my buddies did this too. One night we came out of a club to find a VW bug parked so close I couldn’t get in the drivers side. The 4 of is picked it up and moved it over so it was so close to another car that HE wouldnt be able to get in his car. We did not block the other cars drivers door.

 

[Varooom]

1970?

I wish. No, 2020 Hellcat

 

[MarylandMojave]

The chances of sugar making it more than 2 inches down the hose is almost 0. I’d shop vac up the sugar, use a screwdriver to hold open the flap and shop vac again, and be done.

 

[Chunky White]

Was her name Tiffany?

I know two Tiffany's and the blonde haired one is way worse than the redhead. Like claim you beat her because you wouldn't take her on a date crazy, tell her boyfriend she is pregnant when she's not and refuse to see family because they bought her sisters kids something she wanted for her kids crazy. Shes a relative and all is true. LOL

 

[Cspence]

There are three pages between your locking gas cap question and this reply so it has probably been answered alredy. Just in case though, I'll paste the Amazon link to the Mopar locking one I bought. You set the lock's pins so that it is unlocked by your JT key. Mine is almost two years old and never any trouble out of it. There is also a great instruction video made by Quadratec that shows you exactly how to put it together.

Locking cap: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BQG4JHZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Quadratec video:

I did exactly this about two weeks ago. Was a little pricey and a tad intimidating (messing up the process and being out $90), but it was very straight forward and easy, extremely happy I did it! It was the perfect addition to several security upgrades I've done. I wasn't worried about siphoning, more people putting something in there, sugar, water, or anything else for that matter (targeted or random act of vandalism). I've seen a lot of things in my day, many of which would people scratch there head and say "Why?", and for no real reason. Aesthetic damage, while it would suck, I could live with. When it comes to things that can substantially damage my vehicle and substantially compromise my ability to use it, then I have a problem. Hood locks, gas lock, kill switch....

Highly recommended, works perfect! Other than the cost, there isn't a reason NOT to have it...

 

[The dude]

Wow. Better off dead. truly old school reference.

Go that way really fast… if something gets in your way turn

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The chances of sugar making it more than 2 inches down the hose is almost 0. I’d shop vac up the sugar, use a screwdriver to hold open the flap and shop vac again, and be done.

Hmmm ........ shop vac gas fumes into a vacuum where the fumes pass awfully close to an electric motor with sparking brushes.......... ok, I'll watch.

Why would the chances of going more than 2" down be almost 0? It's dry, granular like sand, and the tube is pretty much open for a ways. It's not like being poured into water.
So do that and just figure on no sugar any farther down, and you will bet on there being no sugar to plug up the filter or get into the tank through washing or splashing.
Likely not IN the tank if it's not been driven, but once you start moving, it's going to wash around and settle into the low spots - until sloshed around by moving gas once that tank gets below 1/4 tank.

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