Making sense of the weight difference...

[The Yeti]

I had thought my mind was made up on a taller skinnier tire when the time comes. Decided on the 35 11.5x17 Toyo AT3 (sku 355920) Toyo site shows it weighs 62.6 lbs. Then I'm bored reading through threads aimlessly soaking in info (typical mistake for the wallet) and see that the 35x12.5x17 (sku 356540) weighs 58.9 lbs on Toyos site. What gives? These are both C range 6 ply tires which was a deciding factor on the Toyo to start (hard to find a C range/6 ply these days). How can the wider tire with more material weigh more than the skinnier same height/diameter tire? Are these specs correct? I mean less weigh and rolling mass might start to outweigh the tall/skinny based on the amount of snow wheeling I actually do (not much but like to be ready and sometimes get myself in to a situation when I'm threatened with a good time).
With all that said I have a Sport 80th Anniversary, so 3.73's and don't plan on regearing anytime soon.

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[Bjeepz]

Some food for thought... What is the actual tread width difference on these tires? Don't get too hung up on this, just get the tires you want that will perform the way you need. Those tires are very light whichever way you go!

 

[The Yeti]

11.4 vs 12.5 is what their site shows. My thoughts are skinnier = better for the snow we get up here in Saskatchewan. My other thought now is the lighter tire keeping the mileage loss to a minimum. Not sure if either one out weighs the other or not or by how much, if so. So just kinda looking in to any info I can get after finding this info.

 

[Mr._Bill]

3.7 pounds per tire is not going to have a noticeable impact on MPG. Talk with the guys at the tire store and get what is going to work best for your situation.

 

[The Yeti]

That one of the problems. The guys at the local tire stores want to sell you their brand etc and don't like talking too much about anything other than the stock replacement size. I know in my Duramax the weight and size wouldn't be noticeable at all in driveability but this 3.6 I've found is night and day power/torque wize so I'm just over thinking maybe? Just doing some due diligence and "thinking out loud" maybe

 

[Mr._Bill]

If MPG is a big concern, then you should be sticking with the stock tire size. Otherwise, just figure out what you like/want/need for your use and put those on. Once you go bigger, concerns about MPG are pointless. The only thing I would be concerned with is the total weight, beyond the stock setup, being added to each corner.

 

[The Yeti]

Good point and Agreed. I mean I guess MPG isn't the only concern. Honestly I'm the first guy to always say if I wanted mileage I'd buy a civic maybe I'm referring more to the sluggishness it will inevitably cause. Some say it's night and day other say not really noticeable. If the weigh difference isn't going to make much difference wlbetween those two then I guess I'll have to keep thinking about it. The wider would look better but the skinnier MIGHT perform better in my typical winter conditions....

 

[Mr._Bill]

The power difference becomes noticeable with the bigger tires. How much more they weigh over the stock setup affects how noticeable it is. If it becomes an issue with the new ones, you can always re-gear to overcome it.

 

[Camaroboi13]

You’re not going to notice an mpg difference between the two tires. I’d stick to the skinny ones. You’re talking about less than 10% heavier vs roughly 10% wider and less than 10% more rolling resistance. I’d say it’s a wash.

 

[Bjeepz]

I’m in Ontario and get the winter performance needs. The numbers you posted above, are you sure that is tread width and not section width?

More siping is going to be better on wet and snowy conditions.

As for mpg that’s up to the was you drive. I see 13.5 litres per 100k on the highway with 37’s on 4.10’s: That can go way to crap really fast if I am having fun!

Any difference in fuel consumption will be minimal so get the tires you want!!

 

[PuddleJumper]

3.7 pounds per tire is not going to have a noticeable impact on MPG. Talk with the guys at the tire store and get what is going to work best for your situation.

I would say it depend on expectations. at most speeds (50mph and below). yeah your not gonna notice a few pounds. once you creep past 70 and start running into inclines, different story. Granted who needs to run that fast in a brick. I got a whopping 5 mpg gain over the stock tires by going with an ultra light 35. but odds are most can't find 10 pounds to shave per corner so you'll never really notice/care unless 1-2 mpg is worth it for you. I can say performance wise, skinny is almost always better in 90 percent of use cases.

 

[PuddleJumper]

I’m in Ontario and get the winter performance needs. The numbers you posted above, are you sure that is tread width and not section width?

More siping is going to be better on wet and snowy conditions.

As for mpg that’s up to the was you drive. I see 13.5 litres per 100k on the highway with 37’s on 4.10’s: That can go way to crap really fast if I am having fun!

Any difference in fuel consumption will be minimal so get the tires you want!!

true! I don't get better than 13 mpg with 37s but thats because i have no self control. It could easily still get 16.5 if i drove conservatively

 

[GWolgamott]

... The wider would look better but the skinnier MIGHT perform better in my typical winter conditions....

I'm all about pizza cutters, find that in Michigan's inconsistent winter weather(ice to snow to dry to slush and that may just be my morning commute...) they handle better then wider tires. Running 285/70/17 currently. So something like just under 11 1/4" width or something close to that give or take. They do fine in the snow as long as I have some weight in the bed.

I'm floating the idea on doing dedicated winter tires this year though so may be running smaller size for a few months depending what I can find close to my current size.

 

[Deleted member 52902]

How the carcass is made. Compound makeup of the tread. Wide grooves or all siped or a combination which for multi-purpose tire would be the case. A snow-specific tire for example, will have a very soft compound (don't use them all yr around or the pavement temps will wear them down quick!) and the entire tread is wiped for maximum stopping and take-off grip that a common AT tire will never do as well. But the AT or other types will be better in other conditions.

Noise can be a factor on pavement. Some will be quieter than others. A tire that might last for 50,000 miles on pavement is likely to be noisier than a tire that has a lower mile estimate. But, the continual advancements of the makeup of tires; specs on their performance as the tire technology changes can be hard to keep track of.

Try not to overthink this. A few pounds difference is not the thing to focus on. How you use the tires/weather/life/cost to benefit ratio is the best game but even that; you have to be flexible. Or you will go crazy.

Me? I love the FALKEN WildPeak A/3TW tires. GREAT all around on road/decent for many off road use and pretty darn good in snow. That said, I have another set of wheels with BRIDGESTONE Blizzak tires. When the temperature drops to consistent below 40 degrees and snow, which means ice too is coming, the total siping and soft rubber of these really matter for me. Unfortunately the vehicle behind me often has cow dung for tires. Can't help that but at least my JEEP has good shoes on for the weather. It can get into a debate as to which brands and types are best. I just feel the FALKEN and BRIDGESTONE's I mentioned, are very good at their jobs. No one tire is perfect at all parameters. the FALKINS by the way, are pretty quiet on-road. And their tread lasts quite well. My BRIDGESTONE Blizzaks; I get 3 to 4 years out of them with about 4 months, maybe 5 months out of the Winter season of use. Basically November install and March the All Terrain tires go back on. Some Winters, I have swapped back to the AT's in February. Which still handle snow ok. It's the ice that makes snow rated tires shine. the WildPeak is actually pretty good even with their harder tread. It's a great combination-season, all purpose tire.

Right now my JEEP is wearing some still-decent GOODYEAR AT tires. Rather than toss them, I'm just wearing them down, because why waste them since these days, I don't do what was pretty mild off-roading anymore. Get my moneys worth out of them while the weather is still Summer & Fall.

 

[The Yeti]

So... I decided on the 11.5's and then, all the sudden they are out of stock everywhere. Locally says no eta if ever again at all. Online says no stock. Anyone happen to know whats up with the TOYO ATIII's 35x11.5 17's (#355920)? Finally find a 6 ply 35 skinny as I can get and then they discontinue it or what? Or is it just a wait for new stock thing?

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