Older & Fancy vs New & Basic

[Dave-in-RI]

I know people’s preferences are unique, but I’m having a hard time deciding between a 2022-2023 used diesel overland (for my uses a better choice than other trims), which can be had for $32-38k with under 30k miles on it without hunting far, and a new 2024 Sport S with no miles on it, but nearly no extras, for $40k (ish; the quick order packages vary, but there are some for sale $39-44k without hunting). Seems a good way to save some money for upgrades. Adding to this, if they release bikini pearl for this trim (vs holding it for a higher level), which for me is my favorite color, I switch to “get the teal one”. But if I go to max tow sport S for $45k ish, in bikini, it feels too much compared to a pre-owned loaded 22-23 diesel, even with airbags and the screen and grille in the new ones, and my “always wanted that color” (this will be my fourth Jeep). I plan to hold until electric or PHEV comes into practical and affordable form, so guessing 7-10 years.

I don’t know what I’m asking for help with— perhaps it’s permission? ha

Anyone else in my situation find a way out? I won’t buy until the “fate” of bikini “late 2024” and the 2025 updates are announced, but I’m trying to get ready for a black older one if it comes to pass I can’t get bikini (eg, they announce it on the crazy pricey ones, or have it on a new 4xe that’s $70k etc). That way if they announce it next month, I can say “time to buy!” and be ready cause I’ll have been following the market and finding the ones for sale. (My car needs a new exhaust and I’m hoping it doesn’t fall off or get me a ticket before I trade it in as-is, it’s old enough that wouldn’t matter.)

I’d go 0% on the new one just because it’s cheaper in periods of inflation, why spend the cash, but id cash buy the older one or at least most of it.

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[Gvsukids]

I know people’s preferences are unique, but I’m having a hard time deciding between a 2022-2023 used diesel overland (for my uses a better choice than other trims), which can be had for $32-38k with under 30k miles on it without hunting far, and a new 2024 Sport S with no miles on it, but nearly no extras, for $40k (ish; the quick order packages vary, but there are some for sale $39-44k without hunting). Seems a good way to save some money for upgrades. Adding to this, if they release bikini pearl for this trim (vs holding it for a higher level), which for me is my favorite color, I switch to “get the teal one”. But if I go to max tow sport S for $45k ish, in bikini, it feels too much compared to a pre-owned loaded 22-23 diesel, even with airbags and the screen and grille in the new ones, and my “always wanted that color” (this will be my fourth Jeep). I plan to hold until electric or PHEV comes into practical and affordable form, so guessing 7-10 years.

I don’t know what I’m asking for help with— perhaps it’s permission? ha

Anyone else in my situation find a way out? I won’t buy until the “fate” of bikini “late 2024” and the 2025 updates are announced, but I’m trying to get ready for a black older one if it comes to pass I can’t get bikini (eg, they announce it on the crazy pricey ones, or have it on a new 4xe that’s $70k etc). That way if they announce it next month, I can say “time to buy!” and be ready cause I’ll have been following the market and finding the ones for sale. (My car needs a new exhaust and I’m hoping it doesn’t fall off or get me a ticket before I trade it in as-is, it’s old enough that wouldn’t matter.)

I’d go 0% on the new one just because it’s cheaper in periods of inflation, why spend the cash, but id cash buy the older one or at least most of it.

If color is what you want, then hold off, or buy a wrap. Otherwise, buy the one that suits you. Older models have airbags, but not as many.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I know people’s preferences are unique, but I’m having a hard time deciding between a 2022-2023 used diesel overland (for my uses a better choice than other trims), which can be had for $32-38k with under 30k miles on it without hunting far, and a new 2024 Sport S with no miles on it, but nearly no extras, for $40k (ish; the quick order packages vary, but there are some for sale $39-44k without hunting). Seems a good way to save some money for upgrades. Adding to this, if they release bikini pearl for this trim (vs holding it for a higher level), which for me is my favorite color, I switch to “get the teal one”. But if I go to max tow sport S for $45k ish, in bikini, it feels too much compared to a pre-owned loaded 22-23 diesel, even with airbags and the screen and grille in the new ones, and my “always wanted that color” (this will be my fourth Jeep). I plan to hold until electric or PHEV comes into practical and affordable form, so guessing 7-10 years.

I don’t know what I’m asking for help with— perhaps it’s permission? ha

Anyone else in my situation find a way out? I won’t buy until the “fate” of bikini “late 2024” and the 2025 updates are announced, but I’m trying to get ready for a black older one if it comes to pass I can’t get bikini (eg, they announce it on the crazy pricey ones, or have it on a new 4xe that’s $70k etc). That way if they announce it next month, I can say “time to buy!” and be ready cause I’ll have been following the market and finding the ones for sale. (My car needs a new exhaust and I’m hoping it doesn’t fall off or get me a ticket before I trade it in as-is, it’s old enough that wouldn’t matter.)

I’d go 0% on the new one just because it’s cheaper in periods of inflation, why spend the cash, but id cash buy the older one or at least most of it.

Or you could order from one of the dealers that offer 6% below invoice. At that point you are either paying less for brand new or adding the options you want and paying about the same. If you're financing you can generally find better rates on new vehicles as well.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

If color is what you want, then hold off, or buy a wrap. Otherwise, buy the one that suits you. Older models have airbags, but not as many.

Yeah, I can’t rationalize why I’d give up so much for a color, but then again Jeeps aren’t really a rational choice in many ways. Muffler tape sounds good.

(Or do I buy used now and trade-in after a couple years for a used and better outfitted Bikini upper trim… It’s just me fighting my impatience, I think!)

 

[Alan SOBX]

I went new because they were offering so much off and, living at the beach, I didn’t have to worry about rust issues not caused by me.

Our situations may be similar though. I had a company car for 30+ years so it is my first Jeep. I knew diving in and doing a bunch of mods may not be practical for a newbie not to mention unpopular with my wife who I was guessing would view mods as unnecessary (she has actually been good about it!). I went with the Mojave since it came already lifted on all terrain tires with a locking rear diff. All things I wanted (note I didn’t say "needed" LOL) to run on sand.

If the Overland has what you want and you can save some money / time / headache with the purchase, do that. If you want a car that you can have fun adding mods (and don’t mind more complex ones) go with the new Max Tow.

 

[TheSolarWizard]

DIESEL 100%

its the perfect motor for a jeep imo and the transmission is more robust
I’d buy another in a heartbeat. in fact I am buying another. A wrangler and that was destroyed in a rear end crash just to have a backup motor and trans should mine quick hopefully more than a decade down the road

 

[Dave-in-RI]

DIESEL 100%

its the perfect motor for a jeep imo and the transmission is more robust
I’d buy another in a heartbeat. in fact I am buying another. A wrangler and that was destroyed in a rear end crash just to have a backup motor and trans should mine quick hopefully more than a decade down the road

I really do want the diesel, especially with mpg while towing (boat, landscape trailer), and the torque on tap. Something about buying a pentastar in the year 2024/5 that doesn’t sit right. Adequate, sure, not gonna start that thread drift here. That’s what I’m hoping to hear about the color and potential 4xe news, because I’ll be able to make a fully informed purchase. Part of me is hoping bikini is out of reach for now so I can get a diesel for a few years first. Part of me worries seeing one in the wild would be like running into your ex and they’re much better looking now!

 

[Rusty PW]

Love my diesel Rubi.

 

[TheSolarWizard]

I really do want the diesel, especially with mpg while towing (boat, landscape trailer), and the torque on tap. Something about buying a pentastar in the year 2024/5 that doesn’t sit right. Adequate, sure, not gonna start that thread drift here. That’s what I’m hoping to hear about the color and potential 4xe news, because I’ll be able to make a fully informed purchase. Part of me is hoping bikini is out of reach for now so I can get a diesel for a few years first. Part of me worries seeing one in the wild would be like running into your ex and they’re much better looking now!

maybe the ex will be pretty but on the inside she will still be terrible if she has spark plugs

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

I’ve yet to see them limit colors to specific trims, so I wouldn’t worry about that.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

Thinking about it differently this morning-- yes, $45k new & basic is "only $15k" more than $30k fancy & used, and would mean no miles, full warranty, 0%, my "first new car", could be ordered and bought without hunting for a deal on a used one that's good enough, etc., vs used with 40,000 miles, unknown driving / break-in / off-road / maintenance history, who knows what might be an intermittent or emerging issue that it was traded in for to get rid of, 6%, nearly no warranty, etc.,-- which doesn't seem like a big money difference overall-- but it's really 50% more ($15k is 50% of $30k; $30k+$15=$45k). So is it worth paying 50% more for newer, right color, wrong engine, lower trim? The percentages make me think it's not. The dollars make me think it is. (I know, the smaller the numbers the larger the percentages appear, I'm just picking at an emotional scab here while I wait for color/2025 announcement.)

 

[MRPRmojave]

Went through the same dilemma, I ended up buying a new "bare bones" Mojave. I have had jeeps in the past and all of which had issues, So I thought I would like and want a warranty for a little bit. To my surprise- I have not had one single issue, I actually wheel too (trying to travel and do Badge of Honors).

I say go and drive both if you haven't already and it's a Jeep. It will speak to you.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

Well, I had some sense nearly talked into me from my wife, that it makes more sense to get the already-depreciated diesel now (in a better trim) and use it for a few years, at which point my vehicle needs might change (larger things to tow?), the powertrain options might change (4xe? 2028 Ram-type PHEV?), etc., and bikini (if it actually is released) would be cheaper etc.. And I don't have to pay to fix my exhaust now, on a car that wont recover that expense (it's basically fully depreciated, ha), and can just put that toward the next one instead. I'm also putting a shed in out back this fall, and it's like "you can have the diesel and a shed and several thousand leftover, or the bikini-- maybe, if it comes out-- and no money for the shed, things to tow, life, etc., and then in a few years it'll take a huge depreciation hit and no one will want a pentastar in the year 2030 anyways". Thanks for the brainstorming, borg cube. Now then, if anyone knows of a diesel Overland or higher near New England, send it my way!)

 

[Dave-in-RI]

Pricing update. I just went through Cars.com (dealerships) and here are the prices for the cheapest Gladiators matching my rather basic filters: 2024 Max Tow vs ecodiesel. For both, colors were black, blue, and red. No other filters. There were a few more pages of higher-priced diesels, but since I'm trying to buy on budget, I stopped when the pricing eclipsed the cheaper new ones.

This might be interesting for people considering trading-in:


NEW 2024 Max Tow Sport S: (cheapest; some higher after this. some were softtop only I think)

$41,511

$41,585

$42,152

$42,156

$42,947

$43,897

$46,079

$47,083

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2021-2023 Ecodiesel (cheapest: there were multiple more pages of results at higher prices)

$32,995 (Rubi 100k mi.)

$33,500 (Sport S, 55k mi)

$34,420 (O’land, 58k mi)

$34,587 (Willy’s, 30k mi)

$34,888 (Sport S, 40k mi)

$34,998 (Willy’s, 42k mi)

$34,999 (Sport, 56k mi)

$36,999 (Rubi, 75k mi)

$37,500 (Sport, 61k mi)

$38,175 (O’land, 31k mi)

$38,987 (Rubi, 42k mi)

$39,577 (Sport S, 500 mi)

$39,958 (O’land, 50k mi)

$40,802 (O’land, 56k mi)

Buying a car with 50k miles for $38k, when the truck should've cost that new, feels like being used by a brand. Buying a car with 0 miles for $41k seems much more reasonable. In my brain, I could get used to the max tow payload and less daily driver torque (vs diesel) at this price than the other way around, especially since I'm waiting on a PHEV for my particular needs and don't plan to "build" this Jeep.

I've automated my searches and will think close and hard if something comes up online near me, but I'm not going to travel far and wide to get a used one like I would for a new one. Now it's looking like a new one makes more sense than a diesel, even if not in bikini. I only drive 12k miles a year nowadays (down from 36k), so diesel might not even be the best engine for me.

But I don't want to rush out for it, and will now fix my exhaust and drive the shitbox some more. Sigh.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

I’ve narrowed the list down to a new yet unsold 2023 Willy’s ecodiesel, lots of options (including color matched hardtop, a requirement for me) with a huge discount, or a 2024 Nighthawk. The Nighthawk can be had for several thousand less (nearly $10k less) and non-engine wise I like better—new grille (in a few years won’t look as old for trade/sell, color grille (vs Willy’s black), same rock rails, same payload confirmed by sticker (~1100 lbs), and 6000lbs towing vs 6500. There are also Nighthawks everywhere, whereas I’d have to go several states away for the diesel I found. But, diesel gets terrific mpg with and without towing (ill be towing a 4000 lb boat trailer around New England; not the Rockies but not entirely flat), and I won’t feel bad environmentally with 18mpg without towing and half that when, especially a few years from now when I still have it. So I’m thinking lass chance at the diesel new, better trim and creature comforts inside (msrp $62 vs nighthawk $47, before discounts) make it easier to want to keep driving it longer, and that I won’t hate myself as much if bikini comes out the day later (“well at least it’s a diesel”).

Just feels like there’s a mistake in here buying the pre-refresh for more money.

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