5.7 Hemi coming to Gladiator? TK Garage Reports

[JmattNYC]

Never heard of TK Garage or Jason Samko.

Both are really good youtubers and post daily.

TK Garage is a muscle car and Ram guy who is Ex-Navy and currently works as a government contractor. He has some really good executive level sources within car industry. The past few months he has been really accurate on virtually everything he breaks.

Jason Samko has multiple channels and is a hunter by trade. He has a ton of wealth of knowledge on all things trucks. He post a few video daily and provides really good content.

Both of these guys channels are really good and i would encourage people to check them out.

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[Dummy SALAPA]

My Commander has the same problem, but I'm getting ready for an engine out rebuild. Def not looking forward to broken studs, which I know I will have.

Out of the 5 Rams Ive owned over the years 4 of them ( all Hemis) had the issue where the exhaust manifolds warp and break the studs. I got the kit from ProMax for removing the broken studs and never had one I could not get out. The kit is pricey but well worth it. On my last Ram ( traded for the Gladiator) I replaced the OEM manifolds with headers. That was a mistake because 6 months later the headers cracked. I took the warped OEM manifolds down to a machine shop and had them sanded down level again and bolted those back up. I got real tired of working on my truck and its cramped and hard to do when dealing with the manifolds. Everyone says they will warp again but Ive traded my Ram before that will happen. Ive had my fill with the Hemi manifold issue! If you decide to do the work on your Commander checkout https://promaxxtool.com/ Ill bet you the same kit for the Ram would do the Commander. The tool is top notch! I know the Pentistar may have its issues but im so glad to get out of a Hemi. Lastly BD Diesel makes an upgraded OEM Hemi Manifold that is not supposed to warp. https://us.bddiesel.com

 

[RubiAR]

Out of the 5 Rams Ive owned over the years 4 of them ( all Hemis) had the issue where the exhaust manifolds warp and break the studs. I got the kit from ProMax for removing the broken studs and never had one I could not get out. The kit is pricey but well worth it. On my last Ram ( traded for the Gladiator) I replaced the OEM manifolds with headers. That was a mistake because 6 months later the headers cracked. I took the warped OEM manifolds down to a machine shop and had them sanded down level again and bolted those back up. I got real tired of working on my truck and its cramped and hard to do when dealing with the manifolds. Everyone says they will warp again but Ive traded my Ram before that will happen. Ive had my fill with the Hemi manifold issue! If you decide to do the work on your Commander checkout https://promaxxtool.com/ Ill bet you the same kit for the Ram would do the Commander. The tool is top notch! I know the Pentistar may have its issues but im so glad to get out of a Hemi. Lastly BD Diesel makes an upgraded OEM Hemi Manifold that is not supposed to warp. https://us.bddiesel.com

I was just looking at that kit the other day. Glad to know it's worth the money as I will most likely jump for it. Not afraid to spend a little more on tooling/parts. In my experience as a mechanic (aviation or automotive), it will nearly always cost you more at least in time if not also in $$$ after you've tried multiple half-baked alternatives.

And Idk if you've ever been under the hood of an XK, but the manifolds are nearly impossible without pulling the motor. I've heard the 2WD Hemi XK is doable with some patience.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

If they want to help with sales, maybe Stellantis can lower the price on their products. These are not Range Rovers or Bens G Wagons. Stop pricing them as such.

You haven't been shopping either of those if you think the gladiator is even in the same ballpark on price. I was ready to buy an Ineos, but went with the gladiator because it was half the price.

 

[RShip]

The good brother TK from TK"s Garage is reporting that Jeep is finally going to put a hemi in the gladiator next year. I really hope this is true. I copy the link below to his video.

While I think we need a V8 option, I'm afraid it would be the eTorque HEMI. I don't trust that whole concept.

 

[RubiAR]

While I think we need a V8 option, I'm afraid it would be the eTorque HEMI. I don't trust that whole concept.

My neighbor's Ram has the E-Torque and the truck is QUICK off the line. I akin it to an electric-driven supercharger. Low-end torque wouldn't be a bad addition to a JT that needs to tow 1/2 ton weight ratings on a less than ideal 1/2 ton GVWR. Is it reliable? I couldn't say, but he seems to enjoy it a lot

 

[piroman683]

The Ram E-torque has an instant 90 ft. lbs. as soon as you puch it which feels awesome. Ive driven one myslef and really enjoyed that instant torque. And this is what I foresee as going in the JT. I'm hopeful it's not the 2.0 turbo sytem, but then again, I don't think the 2.0 turbo/hybrid has the same cam follower failure modes. Anyone familiar with 2.0 turbo/hybrid issues?

Also just caught an article about the RAV4 taking over F-150 in best selling vehicle: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterl...oses-americas-no-1-sales-spot-to-toyota-rav4/

Now, I don't know why there is so much hate for a hybrid system out there. a V8 is fun, especially with 6 gears to bash through, but the reality is having instant torque at any RPM makes accelerating smoother, faster, and more enjoyable IMO. Are systems more complex? sure, but arn't all things getting more and more complex compared to vehicles of the 60's?

I'm a big fan of innovation, and it takes work to get it right. Just like the first fuel injected vehicles took time to get it right.

 

[AmosMoses]

Now, I don't know why there is so much hate for a hybrid system out there.

Because it's something that only a few people wanted. I really don't care if they make them but don't get rid of the V6 like toyota did with the taco. If we're being honest, a jeep jl/jt is the wrong platform for a consumer that has fuel efficiency/eco friendliness at the top of their priority list. That would be like asking for offroad capabilities from corvette. It just doesn't make sense. It's good to make fuel efficient engines but be realistic and don't force consumers adapt to platforms that were mandated by corrupt systems. Just eliminate those systems.

 

[piroman683]

Because it's something that only a few people wanted. I really don't care if they make them but don't get rid of the V6 like toyota did with the taco. If we're being honest, a jeep jl/jt is the wrong platform for a consumer that has fuel efficiency/eco friendliness at the top of their priority list. That would be like asking for offroad capabilities from corvette. It just doesn't make sense. It's good to make fuel efficient engines but be realistic and don't force consumers adapt to platforms that were mandated by corrupt systems. Just eliminate those systems.

haha I do agree I did not buy my JT (or my Raptor for that matter) for the MPG !!

 

[RubiAR]

The Ram E-torque has an instant 90 ft. lbs. as soon as you puch it which feels awesome. Ive driven one myslef and really enjoyed that instant torque. And this is what I foresee as going in the JT. I'm hopeful it's not the 2.0 turbo sytem, but then again, I don't think the 2.0 turbo/hybrid has the same cam follower failure modes. Anyone familiar with 2.0 turbo/hybrid issues?

Also just caught an article about the RAV4 taking over F-150 in best selling vehicle: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterl...oses-americas-no-1-sales-spot-to-toyota-rav4/

Now, I don't know why there is so much hate for a hybrid system out there. a V8 is fun, especially with 6 gears to bash through, but the reality is having instant torque at any RPM makes accelerating smoother, faster, and more enjoyable IMO. Are systems more complex? sure, but arn't all things getting more and more complex compared to vehicles of the 60's?

I'm a big fan of innovation, and it takes work to get it right. Just like the first fuel injected vehicles took time to get it right.

I think most people think of the e-torque as a hybrid vehicle. In a way, you could say it is, but I'm sure Ram had more motivation to create a power-adder under the guise of a tree-hugging option. You add a battery or electric anything nowadays and the EV/Hybrid owners say "thanks for saving the world" while thinking their own sh** doesn't stink.

Edit: Dammit I can't get away from all of the South Park references

 

[piroman683]

I think most people think of the e-torque as a hybrid vehicle. In a way, you could say it is, but I'm sure Ram had more motivation to create a power-adder under the guise of a tree-hugging option. You add a battery or electric anything nowadays and the EV/Hybrid owners say "thanks for saving the world" while thinking their own sh** doesn't stink.

I just want to say I have more torque

 

[JTGuy]

My 4.88s added lots of torque without complications .

 

[MRPRmojave]

I'm late to the party on this thread, but why would they make a "raptorfied version of the gladiator" - the Mojave with such a weak motor? I own a Mojave and wish it had a little more git up and go. It would also make sense to have a V8 in the Mojave to be a true Raptor fighter to the bronco and Ranger.

I know its like comparing apples to oranges but they also want to sell cars right?

 

[unsocbl]

I had a 23 Ram with the e-torque Hemi. It was very quick but not sure I'd want that doing any sort of technical offroading. It's a bit jerky/sensitive on takeoff/low speed acceleration. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the transmission failure I had at 23,000 miles, but that truck was just cursed:

 

[Redfour5]

Jeep has so many cafe issues with their line up they can't floorplan gas engines in Massachusetts. So I call B.S.

At least temporarily, it looks like CAFE standards have been swept away. Now, I'm sure market forces will continue to shape things in the direction of better efficiency and alternative fuels, but the "confining" "regulatory" framework that pushed everyone hard in that direction will be sharply curtailed.

Now many things were impacted by what California would do "CARB" etc. But even those things are already being loosened. Without a "national mandate" in that direction, you change the dynamic. AND frankly FCA/STellantis having been a bit slow on the transition vs GM/Ford actually means they do NOT have to backtrack quite as much.

The re-emergence of the 5.7 is a prime example of what I'm talking about. AND, I"m not making political statement's here, I'm simply pointing out the "dynamics" of what is going on and how it could affect corporate planning.

It was already pretty obvious that the transition to alternative fuel vehicles wasn't quite ready for prime time anyway. Hybrids may become the dominant "transition" technology instead of all electric at first, highly efficient powerful ICE engines like the Hurricane will have a place if only for the power. Hydrogen ICE may not be the answer, but hydrogen fuel cells could be. Who knows?

But like the "Classic Ram" was very successful for a few years, and there is still a market for Hemi's. I bet they too will have a limited future lifespan, but like the Classic, why not if it makes money. The Classics were also a situation where you had OLD products where all the R and D was paid for and the production equipment also. It was easy money to make.

So, the world is still headed where it was, but without the "regulatory" pressure to do so. Market forces will now take the fore. And people not yet ready to change can still have their toys. I love my Hemi's.

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