Reminds me of those super intelligent people who solve physics problems, will cure cancer one day, and whom are developing AI …… but can’t tie their own shoes.
What’s worse….. Real people stupidity…. or AI stupidity?
GI,GO. Garbage In, Garbage Out. If you're fed garbage. You will spit out garbage. That goes for both computers and people. The problem is some people love garbage.
Great…..
(and of course..no offense...)
mine started as a 94 with the EFI 1.3, I bought stock in 2001 it was much quicker than the carb models
That's what is so crazy about where we are now. Not even bringing the ridiculous 392 into the debate, we've got stock JLURs doing 6s flat 0-60 on factory 35s. The most capable stock off road vehicle ever is quicker 0-60 than 5.0L mustangs were stock in the 90s. The lack of power and acceleration of pretty much everything back then I don't miss at all. This is the peak of Jeep products currently and I stand by that. Are they expensive? Hell yes, but that's more the terrible value of the dollar than a Jeep thing. The average new vehicle is over $50k.
I miss the simplicity of the vehicles in the 90’s or earlier. I mean…. it was pretty easy to work on them yourself (for the most part). Turning wrenches was fun for us back then.
I’m loving my heated seats & creature comforts now (when I need/want it) versus back when I was in my 20’s & 30’s and didn’t need it. Turning wrenches now can be difficult and not as fun.
More complex is kinda blown out of proportion. Sure with the can bus everything is electronically integrated but the vehicle is the same. The process of installing a lift or replacing a starter or swapping out a transmission is pretty much unchanged. The number of back yard mechanics is likely down, moreso because there's a generation of people who don't do anything for themselves. Between door dash and Amazon and Uber some of these people simply aren't functioning adults anymore. Frame off restorations weren't exactly common even for the avid home wrench. I've done engine swaps, transmissions, custom 3 and 4 link suspensions, cages, etc and never done a full restoration. Will people still be buying 30 year old clapped out Jeeps and wheeling them hard in 30 years? I would imagine so.I miss the simplicity of the vehicles in the 90’s or earlier. I mean…. it was pretty easy to work on them yourself (for the most part). Turning wrenches was fun for us back then.
As vehicles improve…(and get more complex)…. the human body degrades.
Is the younger generation turning wrenches & working on their vehicles like we did back in the 90’s? Or has things become so complex that you don’t see nearly as many backyard mechanics anymore? And what’s that say about keeping the history alive?? Are there going to be as many folks doing frame-off restorations on a 2025 Gladiator when it’s 30 years old?
They are, but many of them are working on "old" cars. 90's and 2000's.I miss the simplicity of the vehicles in the 90’s or earlier. I mean…. it was pretty easy to work on them yourself (for the most part). Turning wrenches was fun for us back then.
As vehicles improve…(and get more complex)…. the human body degrades.
Is the younger generation turning wrenches & working on their vehicles like we did back in the 90’s? Or has things become so complex that you don’t see nearly as many backyard mechanics anymore? And what’s that say about keeping the history alive?? Are there going to be as many folks doing frame-off restorations on a 2025 Gladiator when it’s 30 years old?
@Don - Nighthawk .....could be .. okay here goes .. Go troll elsewhere.
I mean we are on the Jeep forum where many if not most of us work on our own rigs. Wether is oil changes and tire rotations or lifts or bed rack and tent installs. Clearly there are lots of shade tree mechanics left working on brand new vehicles as made obvious by the crazy aftermarket for Jeeps, Broncos, and Toyotas. Sure there aren't many doing engine swaps but that's a combination of warranty still being in place, the powertrain already being pretty good, and the only real viable upgrades being the cost of a base model gladiator. I'm not sure there was ever a time where powertrain swapping brand new vehicles was common? Sure there's always been the rare deep pocket builds, but shade tree hot rodders or off roaders have always leaned toward the 20+ year old rigs because you're doing it on a budget. Only an idiot would go out and buy a base charger with the v6 just to turn around and build it into a hellcat in the 1st couple years. Even if you had the v6 right already you'd just trade it in.
I thought that's when my life got easier, but you might be on to something.
