2026 Jeep JT Hybrid

[Zachanadandy]

Depends on the police department but a lot of the larger metro police departments will calculate retirement using a "Final Average Salary" calculation that takes the last 3-5 years of their highest average earnings to also include overtime pay into their calculations. While $200K maybe a base salary, can be exponentially higher at retirement when OT is factored in.

California Public Sector Unions are pretty well known for their "Cadillac" retirements

Most from what I've seen are capped at 90% and $200k is the average police chiefs salary not a sergeant or detective. There are very few making over $300k and that means massive overtime. There's no way any officer was averaging the $500k for the last 3-5years of their career in order to recieve a $400k pension. That would require working 24/7 for years. 90% of your average salary is great but it's not $400k.

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[Jrgunn5150]

My understanding from other 4xe owners is that if you travel for hours where it's flat - interstate traffic, no hills, no reason to coast or use the brakes, you can actually run the battery down to the point you don't have a hybrid. True or false, I read it from a guy at a dealership who knows the ins and outs of the 4xe. He said they rely on some hills or some braking to keep that battery up enough to still have a hybrid. I don't know what's REALLY left when it says "<1%" on the display, but it's far more than 1% in reality.
I think it came up when a guy ran his down flat and found out that his battery was no longer taking the kWh that it should be taking when charged. Someone asked how the heck can you actually run them down that far, and someone else explained.
Fact?

Yes, and without the battery, it's just a 2.0.

So you start the trip with 470 ft/lbs and end it with 295 lol.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Yes, and without the battery, it's just a 2.0.

So you start the trip with 470 ft/lbs and end it with 295 lol.

Theoretically possible, but I have never experienced it in the prius and it's never been plugged in. There's nowhere in the west where you're driving for hours without encountering a hill or traffic so that could be the difference? I know it wouldn't be great for fuel economy but couldn't the electric motor apply some braking while maintaining speed (increasing load on the ICE engine) like an alternator or the belt start generator in the etorque does to put some charge in the battery? I know for a fact the 17.5kW battery won't take more than 15kW to a full charge even when the dash display shows<1%. That's a pretty large amount it holds back in reserve. My 4xe experience was 2 weeks in a rental in Hawaii so definitely not driving for hours without hills or brakes.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Theoretically possible, but I have never experienced it in the prius and it's never been plugged in. There's nowhere in the west where you're driving for hours without encountering a hill or traffic so that could be the difference? I know it wouldn't be great for fuel economy but couldn't the electric motor apply some braking while maintaining speed (increasing load on the ICE engine) like an alternator or the belt start generator in the etorque does to put some charge in the battery? I know for a fact the 17.5kW battery won't take more than 15kW to a full charge even when the dash display shows<1%. That's a pretty large amount it holds back in reserve. My 4xe experience was 2 weeks in a rental in Hawaii so definitely not driving for hours without hills or brakes.

Two motors in the 4xe - main drive motor in the transmission where the torque converter would be (and a clutch up there as well), and one on the engine.
You can actually drive it in battery save mode and it will pretty much rely on the engine - and that engine mounted motor acts as a generator.
Yeah, it does hold back quite a bit in reserve for hybrid operation.

 

[Stan H]

Two motors in the 4xe - main drive motor in the transmission where the torque converter would be (and a clutch up there as well), and one on the engine.
You can actually drive it in battery save mode and it will pretty much rely on the engine - and that engine mounted motor acts as a generator.
Yeah, it does hold back quite a bit in reserve for hybrid operation.

So in other words its a turd on the I.C.E. & in recharge mode

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So in other words its a turd on the I.C.E. & in recharge mode

Not really - there's a number of Wrangler owners with the 2.0 turbo engine and they are fine.
They only recharge during coasting and braking events, unless you opt for battery saver mode (a button you press).
Really is fine on the highway.
Would I want a 2.0 in a JT while towing? No.
But fine in the Wrangler either with or without it being a 4xe. The 2.0 turbo is really a pretty decent little engine.

 

[biodiesel]

I just hope all of these hybrids will have an affordable replacement battery when the factory one fails in 8 - 12 years. That would be my only hesitation to buy EV. I love my Dewalt/Milwaukee cordless tools, but those batteries are cheap to replace. Right now, the Wrangler 4Xe battery replacement cost is $9,600 which doesn't include labor. There's already been a good number of battery failures on 2021 - 2022 Jeep Wranglers. Yes, those were replaced under warranty, but what will happen when the warranty period is over?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I just hope all of these hybrids will have an affordable replacement battery when the factory one fails in 8 - 12 years. That would be my only hesitation to buy EV. I love my Dewalt/Milwaukee cordless tools, but those batteries are cheap to replace. Right now, the Wrangler 4Xe battery replacement cost is $9,600 which doesn't include labor. There's already been a good number of battery failures on 2021 - 2022 Jeep Wranglers. Yes, those were replaced under warranty, but what will happen when the warranty period is over?

80,000 miles - likely a lot will not keep them that long. How many keep the ICE versions that long?

DeWalt batteries? LOL - can't even buy the 14.4 volt versions any more. My drills are perfectly fine. Two of them, one dates back to 1999. That's 26 years - and when a battery goes bad?
Last time I found them on the shelf, it was cheaper to buy a whole drill than just the battery. Even having them rebuilt locally isn't really cheap.
Given time, the power tool batteries will be so pricy, or so hard to find, you'll buy a new tool with batteries for the same price.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well with math equations like that...what do you expect.

Now if you meant 3/8" + .625" = ?
How about .375" + 5/8" = ?

LOL - one little typo! HA........... good thing it wasn't a critical engineering formula for a fighter jet, eh?

When people couldn't handle 1/2 - 3/32 = ? you definitely don't want them building your tires (or anything else for that matter)

 

[Zachanadandy]

Two motors in the 4xe - main drive motor in the transmission where the torque converter would be (and a clutch up there as well), and one on the engine.
You can actually drive it in battery save mode and it will pretty much rely on the engine - and that engine mounted motor acts as a generator.
Yeah, it does hold back quite a bit in reserve for hybrid operation.

That's what I'm saying, I don't think the software would ever run the battery down to the point you didn't have enough reserve to punch it and still have the electric motor assist and the full 470ftlbs. On a several hour flat drive you likely aren't using more than 100ftlbs to maintain speed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's what I'm saying, I don't think the software would ever run the battery down to the point you didn't have enough reserve to punch it and still have the electric motor assist and the full 470ftlbs. On a several hour flat drive you likely aren't using more than 100ftlbs to maintain speed.

A couple of people in the 4xe forums have drained their batteries - to nothing. One on purpose to prove it wouldn't take a full charge.
I'll see if I can dig up their posts over there.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I just hope all of these hybrids will have an affordable replacement battery when the factory one fails in 8 - 12 years. That would be my only hesitation to buy EV. I love my Dewalt/Milwaukee cordless tools, but those batteries are cheap to replace. Right now, the Wrangler 4Xe battery replacement cost is $9,600 which doesn't include labor. There's already been a good number of battery failures on 2021 - 2022 Jeep Wranglers. Yes, those were replaced under warranty, but what will happen when the warranty period is over?

How much is an Ecodiesel replacement engine lol?

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

How much is an Ecodiesel replacement engine lol?

reman at over $10k https://bestremanengines.com/item.php?id=788

 

[Zachanadandy]

I just hope all of these hybrids will have an affordable replacement battery when the factory one fails in 8 - 12 years. That would be my only hesitation to buy EV. I love my Dewalt/Milwaukee cordless tools, but those batteries are cheap to replace. Right now, the Wrangler 4Xe battery replacement cost is $9,600 which doesn't include labor. There's already been a good number of battery failures on 2021 - 2022 Jeep Wranglers. Yes, those were replaced under warranty, but what will happen when the warranty period is over?

I'd imagine the aftermarket will step in once there are more 4xe's out of warranty. Right now there's just no demand as they are pretty much all still under warranty. My co-workers Ford escape hybrid needed a new battery, over $5k from Ford. He found one from an online battery supplier for less than $2500 shipped. Assuming they'll fail immediately post warranty is also just not realistic. I read an article where a Tesla model 3 owner was still getting 80% of the original capacity after 300k+ miles. I can't imagine the engine and transmission in the Jeep lasting that long so who cares what the battery replacement would cost it's time to replace the whole damn Jeep.

 

[Caspien]

If the 4xe version of our JT's came with the hurricane mated to a hybrid engine, I'd be all onboard for that.

The fact is, I'm perfectly ok with 'Hybrid' vehicles, so long as there's another fuel option too... Gas or Diesel.. doesn't matter to me. Because, I can find those stations on the side of the road, usually within 30-50 miles or less. But, finding an EV charging station, isn't really an option in rural areas.

Also, being that my office is in St Louis, even a major metro area like that... someone sneezes too hard, and the electric grid goes sideways.

Storms, Natural Disasters, long trips... I can't rely on a full EV to operate in those conditions.. so yeah.. dual fuel systems are the way to go, imho.


But, the JT on the 2.0.. enngh...think I'll pass. (with or without the hybrid functionality)

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